Catholic Church In 3rd World Uses Pirated Software .

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1349822799' post='2491743']
Yes my questions are bias. The arco way of thinking of intellectual property would seem to attack my livelihood.
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We attack the livelihoods of politicians and state soldiers too. Why?

[Winchester]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1349822799' post='2491743']
Yes my questions are bias. The arco way of thinking of intellectual property would seem to attack my livelihood.
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It depends on what you feel may be owned. I don't feel you can own a particular arrangement of my personal property.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1349822726' post='2491742']

People shouldn't steal your work. But if they use their own property to duplicate the arrangement you make with your own property, how is that theft?
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It would be akin to plagiarism.

[Winchester]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1349823098' post='2491746']
It would be akin to plagiarism.
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Plagiarism would be presenting yourself as the creator. That's a form of lying.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1349822991' post='2491745']


It depends on what you feel may be owned. I don't feel you can own a particular arrangement of my personal property.
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I don't feel you can steal my work and call it yours.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1349822977' post='2491744']

We attack the livelihoods of politicians and state soldiers too. Why?
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But that was perhaps more inflammatory than it had to be. I am not comparing you to either politicians or state soldiers.

[Winchester]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1349823221' post='2491749']
I don't feel you can steal my work and call it yours.
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I didn't say I would call it mine. Don't accuse me of deception. I've spoken out against it.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1349823178' post='2491748']

Plagiarism would be presenting yourself as the creator. That's a form of lying.
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It can be lying. But could easily be rationalized as someone using their own property to steal the arrangement of someone else's creation.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1349823237' post='2491750']

But that was perhaps more inflammatory than it had to be. I am not comparing you to either politicians or state soldiers.
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That's ok I don't hate those types of people. They are modern day publicans no better or worse than most people.

[Winchester]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1349823615' post='2491753']
It can be lying. But could easily be rationalized as someone using their own property to steal the arrangement of someone else's creation.
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And it would remain lying. I can produce and sell a copy of Charle's Dickens's "Great Expectations", but if I put my name as the author, I would be engaged in deception. Same as if I signed a print of a painting, or altered it so as to make it appear I were the painter.

[Slappo]

My question would be this: If you oppose the idea of intellectual property, how do you propose artists (music or otherwise) make profit off of their work?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1349824324' post='2491759']
My question would be this: If you oppose the idea of intellectual property, how do you propose artists (music or otherwise) make profit off of their work?
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I don't.

Are you making a consequentialist defense of IP?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1349824324' post='2491759']
My question would be this: If you oppose the idea of intellectual property, how do you propose artists (music or otherwise) make profit off of their work?
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Did Nine Inch Nails not release an album online for free? I believe it was among the most successful of their career. I am sure they found ways to make money from that. I can think of several off the top of head. It is not difficult.

[Nihil Obstat]

I guess nobody read the articles I posted. It is a shame. I was as staunch a defender of IP as they come (plenty of evidence in my archives on this site), but those articles were excellently argued and motivated me to rethink my position.

[arfink]

KnightofChrist- I also do graphics for a living, but I am a big proponent of the Creative Commons way of licensing art. Perhaps I am silly or lacking in business acumen, but to me it seems pointless and frivolous to Copyright my works merely to protect my income. Those who wish to pirate my work will always be able to do so, and it will only continue to get easier. I must adapt in a different way. IMO, it's far better to use a permissive license like Creative Commons and hope to garner more good feeling and have attention and attribution reflected back at me.