Political Question For Catholics.

[Aloysius]

I respect the refuse to vote mentality, though as I said before I think it needs to be large and coordinated and also needs to involve large demonstrations on election days; but I think this picture sums up Nihil's refuse-to-vote philosophy quite nicely:
[img]http://www.tickld.com/images/content/26591.jpg[/img]

[Nihil Obstat]

Yes, that is an image I came across a while back that rather struck me.

Edited October 5, 2012 by Nihil Obstat

[Papist]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1349381756' post='2490016']
After reflecting, I thought this was a very good question.

Upon reflecting on it more, it seems more like a cop out....like asking "There's a burning building and you can only save your Dad or a batch of frozen fertilized eggs..what would you do?" ..... a way of asking a question not to know something.. but to KEEP from knowing something...




So, an honest answer to your question what is the moral choice to make, I say this..

I have no idea.

I am not asking my candidate to be moral is all parts of his/her life (I would prefer that, TBH..and would most likely be a condition of my vote)

What I AM asking is that they not ask me to embrace intrinsic evils like abortion, torture, embrionic stem cell, etc etc. One should not embrace it for the sake of the state (democrats), nor for the sake of the party (republicans).

I am not asking for angels...I am just demanding they not be devils. (pardon the hyperbole)
[/quote]
I was not trying to be cute. There are many people who say they morally cannot vote for Romney or Obama, and will go vote for a third party person, as if this third party person is a/the objective moral choice. The point I was trying to get to was that, I do not believe there is an objective moral choice. Every candidate is going to have something they support that I don't, or I don't in the same way. I do not believe this is a product of the 2-party system. All I can do is vote for the person who is closet to my morals and worldview.

Edited October 5, 2012 by Papist

[MIKolbe]

The party appreciates you thinking intrinsic evil is not objective.

I am not looking for someone who doesn't let their wife wear pantaloons, I am looking for a MINIMUM requirement that I not explain away or otherwise accept things which are intrinsically evil by calling it "close enough"

[cmotherofpirl]

I'm sorry, but there is a 0%chance that I would ever, ever, EVER consider voting for Mr. Obama. It is inconceivable to me that any catholic could.
And the idea to not vote, in my opinion, is a vote for the Democrats. I do not like Mr Romney, I prefer he wasn't running, but the choice between a known enemy
of the Catholic Church, and a possible enemy makes the choice much easier, in fact it makes it crystal clear - Romney gets my vote.

[Papist]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1349399559' post='2490139']
The party appreciates you thinking intrinsic evil is not objective.

I am not looking for someone who doesn't let their wife wear pantaloons, I am looking for a MINIMUM requirement that I not explain away or otherwise accept things which are intrinsically evil by calling it "close enough"
[/quote]
I have no idea what that means. Sorry.

[4588686]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1349399822' post='2490141']
I'm sorry, but there is a 0%chance that I would ever, ever, EVER consider voting for Mr. Obama. It is inconceivable to me that any catholic could.
[/quote]


What if I told you that, if re-elected, Obama will personally pimp-slap an abortion doctor?

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1349399559' post='2490139']
I am looking for a MINIMUM requirement that I not explain away or otherwise accept things which are intrinsically evil by calling it "close enough"
[/quote]
[quote name='Papist' timestamp='1349400126' post='2490146']
I have no idea what that means. Sorry.
[/quote]

wow... you ARE well trained. Bravo for holding the party line.

[Jaime]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1349358556' post='2489915']
TBH, I am unsure how one can vote for either of the 2 major candidates and not be complicit in intrinsic moral evil.
[/quote]

Virgil Goode for president

[PhuturePriest]

Who on earth is Virgil Goode?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1349401224' post='2490157']


What if I told you that, if re-elected, Obama will personally pimp-slap an abortion doctor?
[/quote]
Not a chance...

[Slappo]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1349401224' post='2490157']


What if I told you that, if re-elected, Obama will personally pimp-slap an abortion doctor?
[/quote]

I would ask if that means we would get to impeach him and he goes to jail.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1349358556' post='2489915']
TBH, I am unsure how one can vote for either of the 2 major candidates and not be complicit in intrinsic moral evil.
[/quote]


This got a Crazy Dope Post? Wow, this post is almost insane! On one hand you have a President who has pushed for and enacted many culture of death policies, including abortion and euthanasia in his health care plan, his Obamacare plan as its written also reduces religious freedom of the catholic church and its organizations by forcing them to pay for and provide these services as well as catholic and christian, jewish and islamic individuals who will be forced to pay for these services through their forced compliance to pay for this program. This President has also "came out" publicly for same sex marriages which is against the covenant of marriage and flies in the face of God and His plan for procreation and breaks down the normal family structure.

The other candidate has at least recently proclaimed he is pro life and has promised to limit abortion, has promised to remove mandates requiring religious orgs. from providing services contrary to their beliefs which removes the affront to religious liberties that this healthcare mandate has imposed upon the church. He has also stood up for the defence of marriage act, which by the way was championed by President Clinton.

I am unsure how any catholic in good faith could not vote for the Romney - Ryan ticket as its the only viable choice to end the atrocities promoted by the Obama regime. A vote for a third party candidate could almost be considered a sin of ommision as it will do no more than promote the candidacy of Obama - Biden. There are no other political choices or candidates with any chance to win that could keep this President from four more years of failed policies and moral outrages such as the pro-death and homosexual agendas which this President he adamantly promotes.

ed

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1349414096' post='2490231']
The other candidate has at least recently proclaimed he is pro life and has promised to limit abortion,[/quote]
Except he really is not, and will not.

[dUSt]

Apparently, Nihil believes the opposite of what candidates say. So, when Obama speaks, he must hear nothing but support for the Catholic Church, which totally explains why Nihil won't vote for Romney.