sixpence Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 http://www.upworthy.com/a-bishop-describes-how-the-church-invented-hell-to-control-people?g=2 This was posted on the facebook of one of my militant atheist friends. Basically the bishop says he believes everyone gets the same afterlife no matter what and that the Church invented Hell to control the masses... wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 John Shelby Spong... I am being entirely honest right now, when I saw the title of this thread, his was the first name that came to mind. Spong is basically an atheist. That is really not an exaggeration. He is an atheist Episcopalian 'bishop'. The Episcopalian community has been in freefall for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpence Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 yeh i was just checking out his wiki page...... his "twelve points" are even worse!! sorry for the text dump [list=1] [*][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theism"]Theism[/url], as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found. [*]Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic deity. So the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christology"]Christology[/url] of the ages is bankrupt. [*]The Biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin"]Darwinian[/url] mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense. [*]The [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_birth_of_Jesus"]virgin birth[/url], understood as literal biology, makes Christ's divinity, as traditionally understood, impossible. [*]The miracle stories of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament"]New Testament[/url] can no longer be interpreted in a post-[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton"]Newtonian[/url] world as [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural"]supernatural[/url] events performed by an incarnate deity. [*]The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed. [*]Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history. [*]The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a post-[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernicus"]Copernican[/url] space age. [*]There is no external, objective, revealed standard written in scripture or on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time. [*]Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in a particular way. [*]The hope for [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterlife"]life after death[/url] must be separated forever from the behavior control mentality of reward and punishment. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior. [*]All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28classification_of_human_beings%29"]race[/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicity"]ethnicity[/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender"]gender[/url] or [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation"]sexual orientation[/url], can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination. [/list] [b] [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) A made up 'bishop' from a made up 'church', 'totally creditable'. Edited October 3, 2012 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 When was the episcopal church invaded by so many atheists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Why would you even want to be a bishop if you're an atheist?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 [quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1349305230' post='2489727'] Why would you even want to be a bishop if you're an atheist?? [/quote] Because you can believe essentially anything you want and still be an Episcopalian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I'm with Nihil, my first thought at the title was "It's gotta be Spong". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 A Protestant attacking the Church and also being so theologically flawed it has become more fascinating than anything else? What a rare occurrence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 [quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1349305230' post='2489727'] Why would you even want to be a bishop if you're an atheist?? [/quote] Because you get to wear pretty robes and an impressive hat and feel important. And it's easier than working for a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 strange world it is outside of christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 [quote name='sixpence' timestamp='1349303217' post='2489710'] [url="http://www.upworthy.com/a-bishop-describes-how-the-church-invented-hell-to-control-people?g=2"]http://www.upworthy....trol-people?g=2[/url] This was posted on the facebook of one of my militant atheist friends. Basically the bishop says he believes everyone gets the same afterlife no matter what and that the Church invented Hell to control the masses... wow [/quote] Karl Marx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1349313549' post='2489769'] Because you get to wear pretty robes and an impressive hat and feel important. And it's easier than working for a living. [/quote]Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 [color=#222222][font='Helvetica Neue', Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][size=4][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)] Did a Christian pee on you lately or something, Anom.? The chip on your shoulder seems bigger than usual.[/background][/size][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 That bishop's office doesn't exist. It was made up to control the masses in the greatest scam ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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