A Faded Piece Of Papyrus Refers To Jesus's Wife - Nyt Article

[Era Might]

I have no idea what this fragment is...perhaps a gnostic text. And I'm not posting this article for any serious reason (reporting of this kind is generally useless and laughable). But my first thought was, um, Jesus very explicitly refers to himself in the Gospels as Bridegroom of the Church. I have no idea if this text is referring to that, but Christ as Bridegroom is hardly a minor theme in the New Testament.

[color=#000000][font=georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif][size=4][quote]CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — A historian of early Christianity at Harvard Divinity School has identified a scrap of papyrus that she says was written in Coptic in the fourth century and contains a phrase never seen in any piece of Scripture: “Jesus said to them, ‘My wife ...’ ”[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif][size=4]The faded papyrus [/size][/font][/color][url="http://www.hds.harvard.edu/faculty-research/research-projects/the-gospel-of-jesuss-wife"]fragment[/url][color=#000000][font=georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif][size=4] is smaller than a business card, with eight lines on one side, in black ink legible under a magnifying glass. Just below the line about Jesus having a wife, the papyrus includes a second provocative clause that purportedly says, “she will be able to be my disciple.”[/size][/font][/color]

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[color=#000000][font=georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif][size=4]But the discovery is exciting, Dr. King said, because it is the first known statement from antiquity that refers to Jesus speaking of a wife. It provides further evidence that there was an active discussion among early Christians about whether Jesus was celibate or married, and which path his followers should choose.[/size][/font][/color]

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Edited September 18, 2012 by Era Might

[Groo the Wanderer]

well..considering Jesus/Joshua/Yeshua was quite a common name...not really a big deal.

NYT - all the twit that's fit to print....or we just make something up

[Byzantine]

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well..considering Jesus/Joshua/Yeshua was quite a common name...not really a big deal.

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I was going to point that out. Great minds?

[BG45]

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[4588686]

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That's not what she said.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1348021064' post='2483992']
That's not what she said.
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you don't have to quote everything twice.

[4588686]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1348021197' post='2483993']
you don't have to quote everything twice.
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you don't have to quote everything twice.
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Are you sure?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1348021863' post='2483998']
Are you sure?
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well, unless they're my posts. then you rightly should.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

What has marriage got to do with not being celibate ? There have been lay saints that where chaste throught there married life.

:edit: shame upon the world thinking marriage is only about sex.

Edited September 19, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Basilisa Marie]

If Jesus had actually been married, you'd think Paul would have mentioned it when he was chewing out the Corinthians for being so sexuality licentious. Might have really helped his case.

Or something.

[4588686]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1348025532' post='2484022']
If Jesus had actually been married, you'd think Paul would have mentioned it when he was chewing out the Corinthians for being so sexuality licentious. Might have really helped his case.

Or something.
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Well, Paul did know Jesus personally, so that is strange.

[mortify]

If we assume the fragment is not a forgery, the next question is what historical authority it bears. Being that it is purported to be a 4th century fragment, what knowledge does it reveal to us about the historical Jesus? I'm fascinated that people are more interested in that which has little to no historical relevence to Christ, and pass over that which really is significant, the New Testament, which is our *earliest* collection of writings on the life and teachings of our Lord.

[BG45]

We have a lot of first and second century texts from the Early Church Fathers which all seem to miss this "wife"...

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1348021064' post='2483992']
That's not what she said.
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But I did make the meme in response to a FB friend who is virulently anti-Catholic and teaches at a Catholic college who did anti-Christian-gasm at it like that.

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1348025652' post='2484024']
Well, Paul did know Jesus personally, so that is strange.
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Shush, you. You think his original apostles would have mentioned it to Paul during the time he spent in Jerusalem.

[Winchester]

Wow. Yeah. First time I've ever heard of a Bride of Christ or any such imagery. Revelatory. And writings not in the Bible but about Jesus? Totally new.