A Statement By Romney That Makes Me... Proud?

[PhuturePriest]

Romney blew into the issue of the Americans that are dependent on the government: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/romney-faults-those-dependent-on-government/

I'm glad he finally mustered up some cojones. When the Left says he is being insensitive and it's not for something he said about rape, he's doing well.

[missionseeker]

Dependent on the government means you pay no federal income tax? I fit that category. I paid pay roll tax. Not federal income tax.

Also, the comment about intellectual discussions about policies winning elections is stupid.

[4588686]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1347935108' post='2483542']
Romney blew into the issue of the Americans that are dependent on the government: [url="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/romney-faults-those-dependent-on-government/"]http://thecaucus.blo...-on-government/[/url]

I'm glad he finally mustered up some cojones. When the Left says he is being insensitive and it's not for something he said about rape, he's doing well.
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[i][color=#000000][font=Georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif][size=3]So let's set that speculation aside and look at who the people are who actually pay no income tax. Romney's statements are a little unclear, but it appears that the 47 percent figure represents all of those who pay no income tax, rather than the Democratic base. [b]His problem is that [/b][/size][/font][/color][b][url="http://taxfoundation.org:81/article/states-vary-widely-number-tax-filers-no-income-tax-liability"]those people are disproportionately in red states[/url][color=#000000][font=Georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif][size=3] -- that is, states that tend to vote Republican:[/size][/font][/color][/b][/i]


[url="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/where-are-the-47-of-americans-who-pay-no-income-taxes/262499/"]http://www.theatlant...e-taxes/262499/[/url]

Edited September 18, 2012 by Hasan

[4588686]

[quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1347939567' post='2483582']
Dependent on the government means you pay no federal income tax? I fit that category. I paid pay roll tax. Not federal income tax.
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Obviously you're lazy.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1347940072' post='2483585']



Obviously you're lazy.
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Which is proven by the sometimes 18 hour days or 45 hour weekends I put in to pay those payroll taxes.

[4588686]

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Which is proven by the sometimes 18 hour days or 45 hour weekends I put in to pay those payroll taxes.
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Right. Lazy. If you were a self-starter then you'd have a high-paying consulting job.




Ezra Klein does a good job of breaking down the idiocy of Romney's argument. I'm not saying that Romney is stupid. I'm just saying that he says stupid things so people will vote for him.


[url="http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/09/why-poor-pay-no-federal-income-tax-wee-tutorial"]http://www.motherjon...ax-wee-tutorial[/url]

[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, 'Bitstream Vera Sans', sans-serif][size=3][i]Is it true, as Mitt Romney says, that 47% of Americans don't pay federal income tax? Yes! That's mostly because they're either poor, elderly, or take advantage of tax credits for low-income workers. [url="http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/07/breaking-down-lucky-duckies"]Details here.[/url] But why do these people pay no income tax? Ezra Klein breaks it down into [url="https://twitter.com/ezraklein"]Twitter-sized chunks:[/url][/i][/size][/font][/color][list]
[*][i]Rs have spent years cutting income taxes and increasing things like the Child Tax Credit. This means fewer people pay income taxes.[/i]
[*][i]So whenever you hear a stat like "47% don't pay income taxes," remember: Reagan and Bush helped build that.[/i]
[*][i]These tax cuts for the poor were partly in order to make further tax cuts for the rich political palatable.[/i]
[*][i]But now that fewer people pay income taxes as a result of GOP policies, they’re being called lazy and dependent.[/i]
[*][i]And thus the GOP's tax cuts are being used to make a case that the rich are overtaxed and that the less-rich are becoming dependent.[/i]
[*][i]Which thus leads to a policy agenda of tax cuts for the rich and cuts to social services for the non-rich.[/i]
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[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, 'Bitstream Vera Sans', sans-serif][size=3][i]Yep, that's about it. Also worth noting: [url="http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/02/soaking-poor-state-state"]the poor often pay higher state tax rates than the rich.[/url] Add in payroll taxes and excise taxes, instead of cherry picking only a single tax, and it turns out that the poor and the working class end up paying a fair chunk of their income in taxes. Not as big a chunk as the rich, it's true, but then, it strikes most of us as perfectly fair that the poor should pay lower tax rates than the rich. I wonder if this strikes Romney as fair too?[/i][/size][/font][/color]
[font=Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, Bitstream Vera Sans, sans-serif][size=2][color=#000000][i]][/i][/color][/size][/font]


[size=4][color=#000000][font=Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, 'Bitstream Vera Sans', sans-serif]Of course, the economy is so shiitake mushroom because people like Romney. But it's the people who physically cannot work enough hours in the day to make their shiitake mushroom job put them into an income bracket that would have them pay taxes, via George Bush's tax plan, who are the problem. [/font][/color][/size]

Edited September 18, 2012 by Hasan

[Ed Normile]

Missionseeker, you do know that your payroll taxes are your federal income tax, and your local and state taxes including Social Security tax and Medicare tax. Your employer deducts them and pays them for you. The formula for deductions are as follows, you have your gross pay, then you have your Statuatory deductions, the ones I listed above which you have no choice in, then you may have chosen some Voluntary deductions, such as Health insurance, Life Insurance, Retirement plan (401 k), Employee Stock purchase plans such as ESSP or ESOP, what you have left is your Net Pay, or take home pay. The money you get in a Tax Refund is money you overpaid into the system and credits, such as the ones for children and expenses such as a home purchse or other program incentives known commonly as loopholes.

ed

[missionseeker]

I always forget that I'm an idiot as well as lazy...

[4588686]

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I always forget that I'm an idiot as well as lazy...
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Now you're ready to vote for Romney.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1347949108' post='2483629']
Now you're ready to vote for Romney.
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Ugh. Hasan, the one time I actually want to like one of your posts and I run out! I'll be back tomorrow with all of the props you earned in this thread...

[Ice_nine]

Every time I see Romney or Obama I want to do bad, bad things.

[4588686]

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Every time I see Romney or Obama I want to do bad, bad things.
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Sounds like a personal problem.

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1347949772' post='2483631']
Ugh. Hasan, the one time I actually want to like one of your posts and I run out! I'll be back tomorrow with all of the props you earned in this thread...
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I have plenty of props left. If the mods would allow me to 'prop' my own posts then this problem would be easily solved.

[Winchester]

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[CatherineM]

I think the most important thing to take from this is that you have to expect that everything you do or say is being recorded or photographed.

[Lil Red]

i don't even know who Gary Johnson is.