Just So You Know, I'm Giving Up On Catholicism...

[Basilisa Marie]

Not entirely sure it's fair to write off a whole rite based on one musician. :|

[brianthephysicist]

woman's voice with soft piano accompaniment and I don't recall the lyrics. If it is not part of the liturgy though, it doesn't belong in the service, imo, and if it did, it could still have a little style or life to it instead of some tranquilizing, emotionally manipulative lullaby like most worship songs I have heard around but usually avoid these days.

 

Yea...that's the other musical failure that can commonly occur at Catholic Masses.  Mass should NOT be like that.  I'd honestly prefer for us to skip the music and try to learn how to chant.  Then maybe we can reintroduce musical instruments and try to match or exceed the reverence.  

 

There's some people here on Phatmass that understand the whole music theory side of this much better than I ever will, like US Air or Missionseeker, only to name a few.  Heck, Nihil's so versed in traddie restoration of the Mass he could probably give you a much better intro into what the music is supposed to be.

[brianthephysicist]

woman's voice with soft piano accompaniment and I don't recall the lyrics. If it is not part of the liturgy though, it doesn't belong in the service, imo, and if it did, it could still have a little style or life to it instead of some tranquilizing, emotionally manipulative lullaby like most worship songs I have heard around but usually avoid these days.

 

Yea...that's the other musical failure that can commonly occur at Catholic Masses.  Mass should NOT be like that.  I'd honestly prefer for us to skip the music and try to learn how to chant.  Then maybe we can reintroduce musical instruments and try to match or exceed the reverence.  

 

There's some people here on Phatmass that understand the whole music theory side of this much better than I ever will, like US Air or Missionseeker, only to name a few.  Heck, Nihil's so versed in traddie restoration of the Mass he could probably give you a much better intro into what the music is supposed to be.

[Anastasia13]

Not entirely sure it's fair to write off a whole rite based on one musician. :|

 

There are other reasons, and other flawed musicians.

[KnightofChrist]

There are other reasons, and other flawed musicians.

Have you ever attended a Latin Mass?

[Anastasia13]

Have you ever attended a Latin Mass?

 

On campus mass (less singing (and more Mary references than the Lutheran service I grew up with), though I greatly enjoyed the chance to attend an Ash Wednesday service among those times I went), and the last 15 minutes of a daily Mass, and 5 minutes near the end last weekend. Eastern Catholics where I also chat seem more in-line with my attitude about things where western stuff recalls the rules and things I learned over the years.

Edited May 9, 2013 by Light and Truth

[Guest Allie]

It's why I often go early when there isn't a "music minister.  Just old people and me.

Edited May 9, 2013 by Allie

[KnightofChrist]

On campus mass (less singing (and more Mary references than the Lutheran service I grew up with), though I greatly enjoyed the chance to attend an Ash Wednesday service among those times I went), and the last 15 minutes of a daily Mass, and 5 minutes near the end last weekend. Eastern Catholics where I also chat seem more in-line with my attitude about things where western stuff recalls the rules and things I learned over the years.

 

The Latin Mass was on campus or the Mass with the bad music?
 

[KnightofChrist]

I meant Extraordinary Form actually.

[Anastasia13]

The Latin Mass was on campus or the Mass with the bad music?
 

On campus had no music.

 

 

I meant Extraordinary Form actually.

It's less creepy/depressing/vile/distracting/loathsome/modern-hymn-like?

Edited May 9, 2013 by Light and Truth

[Lil Red]

There are no guys my age at my church, and I don't know if I will meet any at my other church. Making friends at church is awkward with higher ethnic level and generally speaking traditional church stuff-never good at meeting people there.  The old people can be really sweet.  I'm self-conscious when I go up for communion and occasionally am scared of doing something wrong. The Armenian priest is really Christian, not just in a religious sense but in a loving open sense, even if I don't talk to him much. I wonder what it is like in other churches that do actually private confession-Armenian does not. The Syriac church I visited had a priest's wife who reminded me of my old rabbi's wife (Messianic, raised Conservative): I think that is a Semitic thing or a good minister's wife thing. I'm intimidated to light the candles at the back of the church (also present at an Armenian Catholic church). It's weird and sometimes hard (if I come late or lose my place in the Armenian book) to follow a foreign tongued liturgy and I sit awkwardly reading the scripture in my bulletin and waiting during the Armenian part of the homily. It makes me feel semi-agnostic outside of certain basic Christian faiths as I do not like to reject and sometimes don't want to reject other church's teachings.The food is good. I hope to have dinner with this nice Syriac lady one of these days. And every time I look into something that I care about and is about what we should or should not do or something that someone says about it or about something religious and I get an Armenian or general OO answer, it makes sense in a way that is as natural or healthy as breathing.  I'm still looking forward to talking to the local Coptic priest, but they start early. :yawn: I am proud when I see one of our churches. I have realized that I really do like the teaching and approach of Oriental Orthodox better than Eastern Orthodox. In my EO conversations, there is more rigidity, even if more culturally familiar among the less highly ethnic populations of America.

 

tl;dr

p.s. paragraph breaks are your friend.

[CatholicsAreKewl]

tl;dr

p.s. paragraph breaks are your friend.

who is that handsome man in your avatar?

[KnightofChrist]

On campus had no music.


It's less creepy/depressing/vile/distracting/loathsome/modern-hymn-like?

These are examples of the Extraordinary Form when it is sung.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6AOvStZS64

[Ryder]

_{As long as it is "cool." That was how I chose my religion.}

haha. right?.. She said something about how she thought orthodoxy was the most "cool"...my only thought was, "oh, that makes sense."

 

-_-

[KnightofChrist]

haha. right?.. She said something about how she thought orthodoxy was the most "cool"...my only thought was, "oh, that makes sense."

-_-

Well I've seen her give other more in-depth or extensive reasons for liking Eastern Christianity.