Emmaberry's Pcc Countdown

[emmaberry101]

[quote name='maximillion' timestamp='1349690420' post='2491134']
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETBg2ckXfjw&feature=related[/media]

Is this what you mean as monotone (Gregorian Chant)?
Are you asking about in English or in Latin?
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English, though the example you posted is beautiful! I think I will just send her a clip of me chanting Lauds when my vocal chords begin working like normal! Her and her roommate say Morning Prayer together pretty consistently, and I was telling my friend how easy it is to plain chant the psalms, and how it really makes them come alive. The university is down the street from the Dallas Cistercian Abbey, so she thought the 'chant' I was proposing was what the monks did, which is a very complex gregorian chant.

I was attempting to find a clip of someone singing the same way the Roswell Poor Clares chant most of the 'little hours' of the Office. Most of the psalm is one note:

C C C C C C C
I rejoiced when they said to me

C C C C C C C C C
Let us go to the house of the Lord

I thought examples would be much more abundant, but they are hard to find! With the Poor Clares, there may be a slight note change at the end of certain lines or at the end of the psalms, but the vast majority of the little hours are one-note chanted.

[Chiquitunga]

Here's a thread on chanting the LOTH - [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/110223-chanting-the-liturgy-of-the-hours/"]http://www.phatmass....y-of-the-hours/[/url]

I posted [url="http://www.monasterygreetings.com/product/Chanting_the_Psalms_CD_and_book/Chant_introductions"]this[/url] there which has a little sample of monotone chant ..

[media]http://media.monasterygreetings.com/sounds/item2429_track2.mp3[/media]

Just a little on terms .. I am pretty certain Gregorian chant and plain chant are synonyms/the same thing. Whereas "monotone chant" is neither Gregorian chant nor plain chant, although it is plain indeed!

Also, I have a private video from a Carmel chanting the Office in monotone which I can share with you via your youtube account OCD Carmels always chant (or recite) the Office in monotone, except for Sundays/Solemnities, with the exception of the hymn before the Hour. It is written specifically in their Constitutions to do it this way. I like it, as it does keep things more simple.

I have heard the PCCs chanting at Palos Park, and I think I do remember it as your describe there .. almost monotone, with a little change of tone at the end of each verse.

edit: perhaps monotone chant could be called "plain chant" also (it definitely falls into this category) but what the "plain" in plain chant just means is that it is not polyphony/different parts singing at the same time and is not related to what notes are used .. and again, it is another way of saying Gregorian chant, which is what those Benedictine nuns are doing posted above

so I think you could say monotone chant is a form of plain chant, but you wouldn't say plain chant is monotone chant .. hope this makes sense!

Edited October 8, 2012 by Chiquitunga

[emmaberry101]

[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1349726549' post='2491338']
Here's a thread on chanting the LOTH - [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/110223-chanting-the-liturgy-of-the-hours/"]http://www.phatmass....y-of-the-hours/[/url]

I posted [url="http://www.monasterygreetings.com/product/Chanting_the_Psalms_CD_and_book/Chant_introductions"]this[/url] there which has a little sample of monotone chant ..

[media]http://media.monasterygreetings.com/sounds/item2429_track2.mp3[/media]

Just a little on terms .. I am pretty certain Gregorian chant and plain chant are synonyms/the same thing. Whereas "monotone chant" is neither Gregorian chant nor plain chant, although it is plain indeed!

Also, I have a private video from a Carmel chanting the Office in monotone which I can share with you via your youtube account OCD Carmels always chant (or recite) the Office in monotone, except for Sundays/Solemnities, with the exception of the hymn before the Hour. It is written specifically in their Constitutions to do it this way. I like it, as it does keep things more simple.

I have heard the PCCs chanting at Palos Park, and I think I do remember it as your describe there .. almost monotone, with a little change of tone at the end of each verse.

edit: perhaps monotone chant could be called "plain chant" also (it definitely falls into this category) but what the "plain" in plain chant just means is that it is not polyphony/different parts singing at the same time and is not related to what notes are used .. and again, it is another way of saying Gregorian chant, which is what those Benedictine nuns are doing posted above

so I think you could say monotone chant is a form of plain chant, but you wouldn't say plain chant is monotone chant .. hope this makes sense!
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May God reward you Chiquitunga! I would love to watch the Carmel video where the nuns are monotone chanting-I think the PCCs are like Carmel in that way (the chant), but for Lauds and Vespers the chanting was not monotone. Each line of the psalm would go up and down in town. It wasn't too complex, but scanned a couple notes (maybe only two) rather than just one.

I think I've got the monotone-plain chant thing. Is it like how all nuns are Sisters but a lot of Sisters are not nuns?

[ACS67]

This is just my guess and from experience but it seems to me that the PCC's/OSC's follow a somewhat "Benedictine" Lauds and Vespers (as you described the chant has more inflexions), which makes sense because, as you know, St. Clare was required to follow the Benedictine rule until hers was approved, which was all of her life minus one day! She died the day after her rule was finally approved.

[emmaberry101]

[quote name='ACS67' timestamp='1349809163' post='2491702']
This is just my guess and from experience but it seems to me that the PCC's/OSC's follow a somewhat "Benedictine" Lauds and Vespers (as you described the chant has more inflexions), which makes sense because, as you know, St. Clare was required to follow the Benedictine rule until hers was approved, which was all of her life minus one day! She died the day after her rule was finally approved.
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Great insight! The Benedictine chant is lovely, but I prefer the PCC/Carmel chants..probably because they are more simple and I am very slow with anything musical. Did you enjoy the chanting in the Carmel you were in?

[quote name='emmaberry101' timestamp='1349806389' post='2491696']
May God reward you Chiquitunga! I would love to watch the Carmel video where the nuns are monotone chanting-I think the PCCs are like Carmel in that way (the chant), but for Lauds and Vespers the chanting was not monotone. Each line of the psalm would go up and down in town. It wasn't too complex, but scanned a couple notes (maybe only two) rather than just one.

I think I've got the monotone-plain chant thing. Is it like how all nuns are Sisters but a lot of Sisters are not nuns?
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[i]Town[/i]=tone here.

[ACS67]

I was not in Carmel. I was only speaking from my experience with visiting the Poor Clares in St. Louis and also with staying several days with the Poor Sisters of St. Clare who chant in simple monotone.

[emmaberry101]

[quote name='ACS67' timestamp='1349834527' post='2491818']
I was not in Carmel. I was only speaking from my experience with visiting the Poor Clares in St. Louis and also with staying several days with the Poor Sisters of St. Clare who chant in simple monotone.
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Oops! Please forgive me-I confused you and another PMer. The Poor Sisters sound amazing! Did you visit before they were enclosed?




EDIT: Here is the (hopefully!) public gallery of the Walls Around the World booklet. I really hope it works this time.

[url="https://picasaweb.google.com/113228112367147112557/September272012#"]https://picasaweb.go...eptember272012#[/url]

A favorite passage:
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ebxfKk-hMI0/UGU1G-lzNPI/AAAAAAAAAWw/y15GgKgtjpg/s512/IMG_1695.jpg[/img]

I thought the latter half of Psalm 45 was so intriguing:

[center][url="http://mbible.com/psalms/45-9.htm"][b]9[/b][/url] Kings’ daughters are among Your noble ladies;[/center]
[center] At Your right hand stands the queen in gold from Ophir.

[url="http://mbible.com/psalms/45-10.htm"][b]10[/b][/url] Listen, O daughter, give attention and incline your ear:
Forget your people and your father’s house;

[url="http://mbible.com/psalms/45-11.htm"][b]11[/b][/url] Then the King will desire your beauty.
Because He is your Lord, bow down to Him.

[url="http://mbible.com/psalms/45-12.htm"][b]12[/b][/url] The daughter of Tyre [i]will come[/i] with a gift;
The rich among the people will seek your favor.

[url="http://mbible.com/psalms/45-13.htm"][b]13[/b][/url] The King’s daughter is all glorious within;
Her clothing is interwoven with gold.

[url="http://mbible.com/psalms/45-14.htm"][b]14[/b][/url] She will be led to the King in embroidered work;
The virgins, her companions who follow her,
Will be brought to You.

[url="http://mbible.com/psalms/45-15.htm"][b]15[/b][/url] They will be led forth with gladness and rejoicing;
They will enter into the King’s palace.[/center]

[left]Specifically, verses 13-15 really bring to mind Saint Clare 'eloping' on Palm Sunday in all her finery. The psalms are glorious![/left]

Edited October 10, 2012 by emmaberry101

[emmaberry101]

I don't know if this has been posted on VS before (I need a stamp for that phrase!), but I came across the 20/20 interview with Mount St Mary's and the Roswell PCCs that is a lot clearer than the one I usually see on VS:

http://youtu.be/Zg0REuKwZuI
http://youtu.be/OgKKuTCS-gw

*Note: both groups of nuns were not pleased with how the interviews came out. Please disregard Sawyer's shallow questions (there is very little actual journalism going on here.) I enjoy the videos because of the peek inside the cloister of the Roswell nuns, and hope others enjoy them for a similar purpose as well.

[VeniJesuAmorMi]

[quote name='emmaberry101' timestamp='1349903336' post='2492063']
I don't know if this has been posted on VS before (I need a stamp for that phrase!), but I came across the 20/20 interview with Mount St Mary's and the Roswell PCCs that is a lot clearer than the one I usually see on VS:

[media]http://youtu.be/Zg0REuKwZuI[/media]
[media]http://youtu.be/OgKKuTCS-gw[/media]

*Note: both groups of nuns were not pleased with how the interviews came out. Please disregard Sawyer's shallow questions (there is very little actual journalism going on here.) I enjoy the videos because of the peek inside the cloister of the Roswell nuns, and hope others enjoy them for a similar purpose as well.
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God reward you Emmaberry for posting the videos! I was just thinking about them this morning. I've watched them many of times, and this is really good quality video. I enjoyed the most seeing them able to go in the Roswell cloister. I know at the end of the video they give updates on the girls who visited, but I still wonder about them and if any of them decided to enter the religious life.

[emmaberry101]

The nun at 0:04 and various other times throughout the videos is the Portress of the Roswell community-the editors must have really liked her, because she is in the feature so many times! She is a beautiful nun, and the community 'sweetheart' it seems. Dear Mistress was speaking of the Portress doing something, so I asked whether she meant the current Portress Sister. She smiled gleefully and said, "No, at that point Sister ____ (current Portress) was still only a dream in the mind of God."

I also believe dear Mother Mary Angela is making shoes at 0:13-0:14 (second video as well). She was not Abbess at the time of filming, though she was at the time it aired, since Mother Francis had gone to her reward by that point.

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='emmaberry101' timestamp='1349922432' post='2492179']
The nun at 0:04 and various other times throughout the videos is the Portress of the Roswell community-the editors must have really liked her, because she is in the feature so many times! She is a beautiful nun, and the community 'sweetheart' it seems. Dear Mistress was speaking of the Portress doing something, so I asked whether she meant the current Portress Sister. She smiled gleefully and said, "No, at that point Sister ____ (current Portress) was still only a dream in the mind of God."[/quote]

Mother Teresita, the Abbess in Palos Park (Chicago) now, is the nun in the first video around 4 minutes, who talks about giving Our Lord our crowning glory! Is this the nun you're talking about? Also, she told me the one who answered Diane Sawyer's question about celibacy was Sr. Mary Paula .. or Sr. Paula Marie.. bottom left corner here, [url="http://www.chicagopoorclares.org/history.html"]http://www.chicagopo...rg/history.html[/url] And I am pretty sure the nun whose face they show when are talking about only the Pope being able to dissolve their vows is in Chicago now too

About her questions & statements, they all agreed that the worse was "Celibacy in 2007?" I concur!!

[Feankie]

Loved the video, despised Diane Sawyer's inane age and stupid questions. And she is hailed as a demanding an thought provoking interviewer ?!

[emmaberry101]

If you look at the Discernment and Cloister videos (which are the lesser quality videos of this interview) the first video is quite a bit longer than the one I have posted here. They may have cut the 'intro' John Stossel and Elizabeth Vargas, but a good bit of footage on the Poor Clares is left out as well.

Edit: I just finished reading Catch Us Those Little Foxes by A Carmelite Nun and it was SO GOOD. It very much reminded me of reading The Imitation. I highly recommend it!

[quote name='Francis Clare' timestamp='1349966208' post='2492287']
Loved the video, despised Diane Sawyer's inane age and stupid questions. And she is hailed as a demanding an thought provoking interviewer ?!
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I think the root of the problem may be that Diane Sawyer is/considers herself to be a Catholic. Catholics that don't agree with certain aspects of Catholicism (which is clearly the case concerning Diane Sawyer and the contemplative life!) tend to be pretty aggressively against those particular issues. Even though Lisa Ling and Oprah's interviews with the DSMME were not perfect, I much prefer those. At least they gave the Sisters time to speak! In these interviews, it's just Diane Sawyer giving her (imo) subjective view on nuns throughout. (At :52 on the second video I would have loved to hear what the nuns had to say!!)

[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1349930388' post='2492213']
Mother Teresita, the Abbess in Palos Park (Chicago) now, is the nun in the first video around 4 minutes, who talks about giving Our Lord our crowning glory! Is this the nun you're talking about? Also, she told me the one who answered Diane Sawyer's question about celibacy was Sr. Mary Paula .. or Sr. Paula Marie.. bottom left corner here, [url="http://www.chicagopoorclares.org/history.html"]http://www.chicagopo...rg/history.html[/url] And I am pretty sure the nun whose face they show when are talking about only the Pope being able to dissolve their vows is in Chicago now too

About her questions & statements, they all agreed that the worse was "Celibacy in 2007?" I concur!!
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I agree that the '2007' statement was the worst as well.. 20/20 really could have focused on the timelessness of the vocation, its history, etc (just as they would have done had they been interviewing Buddhist nuns) rather than give off the impression that 'it's [i]soo[/i] old-fashioned.
Although the Poor Clares' highlight was when Sawyer asked if they ever wanted to sing Oklahoma. I think that question really highlighted that she had no idea what nuns-more specifically Poor Clares-are really like. "The Franciscan Order was born with a song," and I am sure the nuns were thinking, 'We DO sing and dance and have fun-far more than the average person, actually!" But, of course, I don't want to put words in their mouths! Concerning the Oklahoma question, Mother said when she first entered the cloister she was so happy that she would go outside and sing Oklahoma! No joke!

I forgot that you have visited the Palos Park PCCs. That is so cool about Mother Teresita-I really liked her when she spoke in the video, but had no idea who she was. I also really liked what Sister Mary Paula had to say as well!

Edited October 11, 2012 by emmaberry101

[Chiara Francesco]

Hi emmaberry, did you get my PM message about if you have that book? I am getting ready to send you that box of goodies but I don't know if I should include this book. Have you read it, own it? I have 2 so as I don't need 2, I would love to send you this book, you'll love it!

I know you are busy and probably don't have time for emails and such. If you could send a quick yes you have it or no you don't is fine, here on this thread or a PM message is fine.

About that Diane Sawyer interview, if it wasn't out of character or uncharitable, I can imagine those sisters and Mother Mary Francis wanting to bean her! Typical stupid questions of the secular media. And for the "nun's polite laughter", it was more like "polite how-clueless-is-she" laughter or something along those lines!

[emmaberry101]

[quote name='Chiara Francesco' timestamp='1349993567' post='2492472']
Hi emmaberry, did you get my PM message about if you have that book? I am getting ready to send you that box of goodies but I don't know if I should include this book. Have you read it, own it? I have 2 so as I don't need 2, I would love to send you this book, you'll love it!

I know you are busy and probably don't have time for emails and such. If you could send a quick yes you have it or no you don't is fine, here on this thread or a PM message is fine.

About that Diane Sawyer interview, if it wasn't out of character or uncharitable, I can imagine those sisters and Mother Mary Francis wanting to bean her! Typical stupid questions of the secular media. And for the "nun's polite laughter", it was more like "polite how-clueless-is-she" laughter or something along those lines!
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Hey CF! No worries about the book-but I am so sorry I haven't answered! I have been on my alternate 'topic-posting' account because my other account was not letting me log in. Did you send the PM to my 'emmaberry' PM account? I need to get over there and check that one-please forgive me.

I don't know what book you mean, so I will log onto the other username and answer you through message.

Yes, the laughter was more of a 'wow you are asking the wrong questions!" than "we don't know how to answer these questions.."