Nihil Obstat Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 [url="http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/statehood-palestine-now-patriarch-tells-pope"]From NCROnline[/url] [b] [/b] [b] 'Statehood for Palestine now', patriarch tells pope[/b] [color=#336299][size=1]by [url="http://ncronline.org/users/john-l-allen-jr"]John L Allen Jr[/url] on Sep. 14, 2012[/size][/color] [list] [*][color=#336299][size=1][url="http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today"]NCR Today[/url][/size][/color] [/list] BEIRUT -- One of Lebanon’s most senior Christian leaders tonight told Pope Benedict XVI that recognition of Palestinian statehood would be “the most precious good the Arab world can obtain†for both Christians and Muslims, but stopped short of directly calling on the Vatican to extend that recognition unilaterally. Patriarch Gregorios III Laham spoke tonight while welcoming Benedict to the Greek Melkite Basilica of St. Paul, where the pope was to formally sign the concluding document from a 2010 Synod of Bishops on the Middle East. An advance text of Laham’s welcome was briefly placed on the official Lebanese web site for the papal visit two weeks ago, then quickly taken down. In it, Laham called on the pope to recognize Palestine, ahead of an expected push for Palestinian statehood at the United Nations General Assembly later this month. Tonight, Laham didn’t go quite that far, but he made his support for the Palestinian cause abundantly clear. “The recognition of a Palestinian state is the most precious good that the Arab world can obtain in all its confessions, Christian and Muslim,†Laham said. “It can guarantee the realization of the orientations expressed in the post-synodal exhortation,†referring to the pope’s document, “for which we express our most lively gratitude.†Statehood for Palestine, Laham said, “would prepare the way for a true Arab Spring, true democracy, and a real revolution capable of changing the face of the Arab world and of bringing peace to the Holy Land, the Middle East, and the world.†In general, Christian leaders in the Middle East tend to be sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, in part because many of them are Arabs themselves, and in part because they believe Christians in Israel and Palestine suffer the same injustices as Arab Muslims. Though never officially confirmed, it was widely believed that Laham's original text, asking the pope to recognize Palestine himself, was taken down because it could embarrass Benedict during his three-day stop in the Middle East. Officially, the Vatican's line on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict favors a negotiated two-state solution without unilateral gestures on either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven77 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Two state solution!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Three states!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Another government will save us from a current government! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 [quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1347673554' post='2482504'] Another government will save us from a current government! [/quote] You misspelled 'illegal occupation.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1347675437' post='2482520'] You misspelled 'illegal occupation.' [/quote]You must have a hell of a time sleeping at night knowing that you're living on stolen land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 [quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1347676109' post='2482523'] You must have a hell of a time sleeping at night knowing that you're living on stolen land. [/quote] Your attempted counterpoint is not a logical analogy to my argument. I specifically referred to the territory that is currently being illegally occupied. The Occupied Territories. I didn't say that Israel proper should be 'given back' to the Palestinians for the same reason that I would not say that the current American continent should be 'given back' to the Native Americans. This isn't 1948 nor is it 1605. I am probably living on 'stolen' land but I had nothing to do with that theft and the original claimants are long dead. I do think that America should do a lot more for the surviving Native American populations but that's another story. You seem to be under the impression that Gaza and the West Bank are part of the sovereignty state of Israel, which is not the case. Not under international, American, or Israeli law. That is the area that we are talking about establishing a 'government.' You're quip about replacing one government with another government also implies that you have some confusion regarding just which land the Patriarch is talking or what the political and legal status of that land is. Where is Madam V? I feel like she should be swooping down at any moment here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 [quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1347676109' post='2482523'] You must have a hell of a time sleeping at night knowing that you're living on stolen land. [/quote] Your attempted counterpoint is not a logical analogy to my argument. I specifically referred to the territory that is currently being illegally occupied. The Occupied Territories. I didn't say that Israel proper should be 'given back' to the Palestinians for the same reason that I would not say that the current American continent should be 'given back' to the Native Americans. This isn't 1948 nor is it 1605. I am probably living on 'stolen' land but I had nothing to do with that theft and the original claimants are long dead. I do think that America should do a lot more for the surviving Native American populations but that's another story. You seem to be under the impression that Gaza and the West Bank are part of the sovereignty state of Israel, which is not the case. Not under international, American, or Israeli law. That is the area that we are talking about establishing a 'government.' You're quip about replacing one government with another government also implies that you have some confusion regarding just which land the Patriarch is talking or what the political and legal status of that land is. Where is Madam V? I feel like she should be swooping down at any moment here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Your attempted post is not a logical anything. I am partial to Tom Clancy's solution. 10 pts to the first one who names the book to which I am referring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1347677380' post='2482535'] Your attempted post is not a logical anything.[/QUOTE] Alright. What specifically in my post is not logical to anything? [QUOTE]I am partial to Tom Clancy's solution.[/QUOTE] Somehow I'm not surprised. [QUOTE]10 pts to the first one who names the book to which I am referring. [/quote] Was it that real shiitake mushroom one he wrote? You know, the one that was sort of a mass produced thriller that lacked a lot of substance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted September 15, 2012 Author Share Posted September 15, 2012 [quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1347673554' post='2482504'] Another government will save us from a current government! [/quote] Yeah, that is the main flaw. But the more important point here, IMO is the recognition that 'support for Israel' has nothing to do with Catholic teaching, but rather that it is simply a question of basic justice and human rights. It is not about 'sides', but rather innocent people, no matter what their nationality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 just admit you cannot read hasan. its ok. many men who live in their parent's basement and watch tv in their underwear have problems reading big books without pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1347685943' post='2482620'] just admit you cannot read hasan. its ok. many men who live in their parent's basement and watch tv in their underwear have problems reading big books without pictures. [/quote] Oh. Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I accept your surrender. [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ivEt4e2v3Ao/TP8_R8N7H3I/AAAAAAAAAe8/iOjvuyTUai0/s1600/Pilot+-+Bro+Hug.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1347676768' post='2482528'] You're quip [/quote]NO U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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