Winchester Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1347656241' post='2482413'] You like to live in your own little bubble, don't you? [/quote] Your bubble smells like poo and stale Fritos. Can't blame him for living in his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 You can be strong and be stupid. Who cares? That's as common as rats in crackhouses. You can not be strong and weak however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 What war did Obama start? Libya? Please, we just went along for the ride. After 9/11 we didn't have mobs of protesters outside of our embassies because Bush was seen as a strong President. Obama is seen as weakling, and now we have all these problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 the point was that we weren't being stupid, and we aren't being weak. we were being WRONG, absolutely, but those other characterizations are nothing but political punditry that obscures what's really going on out there. talking heads pick up minor gaffes and blow them up to convince you that Obama is being weak so that you'll think Obama's weak foreign policy is making us less safe. the reality of the matter is that a whole bunch of people in the middle east are storming our embassies because we're doing quite the opposite. why do you think they're storming the embassy in Yemen? because they think we're weak? or because we've been bombing the croutons out of the neighborhoods in Yemen with unmanned drones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1347661313' post='2482432'] What war did Obama start? Libya? Please, we just went along for the ride. After 9/11 we didn't have mobs of protesters outside of our embassies because Bush was seen as a strong President. Obama is seen as weakling, and now we have all these problems. [/quote]Obama's only seen as a weakling by the talking heads that paint him that way. He's not seen that way in Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, or Yemen, just to name a few. He has probably been one of the most militant American presidents in history, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 You seem to be stuck on this idea that every politician will have his gaffes. Well yes, "Is our children learning" is an obvious gaffe, but that has obviously has nothing to do with any US position, and people may laugh but don't really care. When a President says we are no longer the dominant power in the Pacific, people take notice and they care. As far as drone attacks in Yemen if those protesters thought that Marines would shoot them the moment they breached our embassy they would have never had done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1347662119' post='2482443'] Obama's only seen as a weakling by the talking heads that paint him that way. He's not seen that way in Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, or Yemen, just to name a few. He has probably been one of the most militant American presidents in history, actually. [/quote] Your experience with those places is...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1347662577' post='2482446'] You seem to be stuck on this idea that every politician will have his gaffes. Well yes, "Is our children learning" is an obvious gaffe, but that has obviously has nothing to do with any US position, and people may laugh but don't really care. When a President says we are no longer the dominant power in the Pacific, people take notice and they care. [/quote] When did he say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1347663631' post='2482456'] When did he say that? [/quote] It was the Middle East, not the Pacific, sorry. Edited September 14, 2012 by r2Dtoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1347663764' post='2482457'] It was the Middle East, not the Pacific, sorry. [/quote] Where did he say that? I googled but didn't find anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Oh come on now, they wouldn t do this if they just feared us more? They do it because they fear us. Obama is not weak, he is going around across all those countries. i mentioned basically kicking butt and ticking them off. Your perspective of Obama being weak is not based in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1347660283' post='2482427'] You can be strong and be stupid. Who cares? That's as common as rats in crackhouses. You can not be strong and weak however. [/quote]Thanks, Confucius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 President Obama says the U.S. would no longer consider the Egyptian government an ally, “but we don’t consider them an enemy.†*** dumbarse*** Obama said the new Muslim Brotherhood leadership in Egypt was still “trying to find its way.†*** dumbarse *** “They were democratically elected. I think we are going to have to see how they respond to this incident, to see how they respond to maintaining the peace treaty with Israel,†he said. *** dumbarse *** Egyptian security forces were slow to respond to attacks on the U.S. embassy Tuesday night when crowds infiltrated the compound and tore down the U.S. flag. The incident occurred shortly before an [url="http://abcnews.go.com/International/libya-consulate-hit-attacks-lasted-hours/story?id=17215154"][b]attack on a U.S. consulate in Libya[/b][/url]left four Americans dead. Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi did not offer a public response to either incident until 24 hours later. *** yeah. they're our friends all right *** “What we’ve seen is that in some cases, they’ve said the right things and taken the right steps. In others, how they’ve responded to other events may not be aligned with some of our interests, so I think it’s still a work in progress,†Obama told Telemundo. “But certainly in this situation what we’re going to expect is that they are responsive to our insistence that our embassy is protected that our personnel is protected. And if they take actions that indicate they are not taking those responsibilities like all countries do where we have embassies, I think that’s going to be a real big problem.†*** ooh. tough talk now? dumbarse *** The White House said [url="http://http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/obama-calls-leaders-in-libya-egypt-over-protests/"][b]Obama phoned Morsi[/b][/url] on Wednesday night to underscore “the importance of Egypt following through on its commitment to cooperate with the United States in securing U.S. diplomatic facilities and personnel†in the wake of violent anti-American protests outside the U.S. embassy in Cairo. Morsi told Obama “that Egypt would honor its obligation to ensure the safety of American personnel,†according to a statement released by the administration. *** he means their corpses *** In his interview with Telemundo, Obama stopped short of calling for a reconsideration of the more than $1 billion in U.S. aid to Egypt. “The United States doesn’t have the option of withdrawing from the world. [url="http://abcn.ws/RNcS4P"][b]We’re the one indispensable nation[/b][/url]. Countries around the world look to us for leadership, even countries where sometimes you experience protest,†he said. *** if give them more money, mebbe they will kill less of us? right. dumbarse ***[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1347666590' post='2482464'] Oh come on now, they wouldn t do this if they just feared us more? They do it because they fear us. Obama is not weak, he is going around across all those countries. i mentioned basically kicking butt and ticking them off. Your perspective of Obama being weak is not based in reality. [/quote] not about fear. its about respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Telling another nation you consider them an enemy is a smart thing to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1347672709' post='2482496'] Telling another nation you consider them an enemy is a smart thing to do? [/quote] Careful now. Do you want to think through our policy before implementing it? flooping kitty cat. DER FUERER MOZLEMS GONNA GET SHOT NO APOLOGIES!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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