Franciscan University Under Investigation

[PhuturePriest]

Franciscan University is under investigation for calling homosexuality "deviant": http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-franciscan-u-of-steubenville-faces-sanction-for-teaching-homosexua

I think you can all join me in saying those flupper muppers, otherwise known as "Franciscan Gay Alumni and Allies" need to take a hike.

[Basilisa Marie]

Actually, it's not good that they're using outdated psychological definitions in a psych class. It puts homosexuality in the same category as murderers and rapists. The field no longer places homosexuality in that same category according to the official diagnostic manual, so it's teaching future psychologists outdated information that will hurt their ability to practice.

That's not to say that homosexual actions aren't inherently disordered and gravely sinful, but discussing homosexuality in the same category as murderers and rapists only serves to attack the human dignity of persons who suffer homosexual attractions. But even though "deviant" is field jargon that means something a bit different than normal usage, it's still wrong. The field of psychology doesn't consider homosexuality to be the same kind of "disorder" as the "disorder" that makes people rapists and serial killers.

Edited September 13, 2012 by Basilisa Marie

[Anomaly]

The University certainly isn't under "investigation". Some activists made a complaint and the complaint is being addressed. No point in people at the University getting all hysterical about it.

[color=#0000cd]According to Holloway, [b]the course description on which the press release and ‘Franciscan Gay Alumni & Allies’ complaint was based, could not jeopardize the university’s accreditation.[/b] It is the content of the course, whether it complies with the [/color][url="http://www.cswe.org/File.aspx?id=13780"][color=#0000cd]standards of diversity[/color][/url][color=#0000cd] set out in the accreditation guidelines that is considered during the process of accreditation. The university, said Holloway, is in compliance as long as the university “teaches respect for ‘gay’ people and includes content about ‘gay’ lifestyles.”[/color]
[color=#0000cd]Holloway has contacted Franciscan University Officials, asking for “information on the content of the course in particular and how diversity is handled in the program more generally.” He will share that information with the accreditation committee once it is received from FUS. Holloway went on to say that, “their (FUS’s) accreditation is not in jeopardy.” He said, “It is only that we get a lot of alerts that something might not be right in a program and when we do we explore them. [u]The accrediting commission looks at the concern and merits whether or not it’s worth pursuing.” Right now, Holloway is collecting information from FUS to pass on to the commission to make that judgment.[/u][/color]
[b][color=#0000cd]As a reminder of the school’s claims to religious liberty, the school states, “We understand that some, not understanding the term (deviant) or its context, might take offense at the description and it is currently under review. Nevertheless, changing standard sociological definitions is beyond the scope of our work. So, too, is changing the teachings of the Catholic Church.”[/color][/b]

The complaint was about the Course Description.
[color=#0000ff]The course is called ‘Deviant Behavior’ and the part of the course description in question states,[b] “The behaviors that are primarily examined are murder, rape, robbery, prostitution, homosexuality, mental illness, and drug use.”[/b][/color]
[color=#0000cd]In the press release issued by “Franciscan Gay Alumni & Allies” and published by the Daily Kos, further accusations and demands are made, based solely on the ‘Deviant Behavior’ course description. [/color]

[color=#0000cd]In a written statement to LifeSiteNews, [b]the university explains that the course uses the term “deviant” as used in the sociological sense, to mean “different from the norm.” [/b]In addition, the university stated, “Franciscan University follows Catholic Church teaching in regard to homosexuality and treats homosexual persons with ‘respect, compassion, and sensitivity’ (Catechism of the Catholic Church, No. 2358) while holding homosexual acts as ‘intrinsically disordered.’ “[/color]

Any reasonable person wouldn't conclude that murderers and rapists are being labeled at the same level of "deviancy" as prostitutes, drug users, mentally ill, or homosexuality. Though I can understand it's hard for any of the parties (including the School) to pass up a good opportunity for playing the "victim" card.

Edited September 13, 2012 by Anomaly

[Slappo]

I believe I read reports stating that homosexuality was listed as deviant in the secular textbook they were using [b]that several other top level secular schools also use.[/b]

[Brother Adam]

I do not think people at the university are getting hysterical, but those that are bringing the claim against the university. Their accreditation really is not in danger, though LBTG activists would like it to be so.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1347558982' post='2482044']
Any reasonable person wouldn't conclude that murderers and rapists are being labeled at the same level of "deviancy" as prostitutes, drug users, mentally ill, or homosexuality.
[/quote]


It seems to me, there aren't many reasonable people around these days ...

[morostheos]

Here's another article on the topic, which I like a little better.

[url="http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/franciscan-universitys-sociology-course-description-comes-under-fire"]http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/franciscan-universitys-sociology-course-description-comes-under-fire[/url]

[tinytherese]

Silly political correctness, tricks are for kids.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1347555047' post='2482016']
Actually, it's not good that they're using outdated psychological definitions in a psych class. It puts homosexuality in the same category as murderers and rapists. The field no longer places homosexuality in that same category according to the official diagnostic manual, so it's teaching future psychologists outdated information that will hurt their ability to practice.

That's not to say that homosexual actions aren't inherently disordered and gravely sinful, but discussing homosexuality in the same category as murderers and rapists only serves to attack the human dignity of persons who suffer homosexual attractions. But even though "deviant" is field jargon that means something a bit different than normal usage, it's still wrong. The field of psychology doesn't consider homosexuality to be the same kind of "disorder" as the "disorder" that makes people rapists and serial killers.
[/quote]

I was a bit lost with the whole " rapists and serial killers " reference in your rebuttal, so I had to check teh dictionary to see if the term deviant had been changed in this evolving language we enjoy.

World English Dictionary [b][color=#333333]deviant[/color] [/b] (ˈdiːvɪənt) — [b][i]adj [/i][/b] 1. deviating, as [color=#333333]from[/color] what is considered acceptable behaviour — [b][i]n [/i][/b] 2. a person whose behaviour, [color=#333333]esp[/color] [color=#333333]sexual[/color] behaviour, [color=#333333]deviates[/color] [color=#333333]from[/color] what [color=#333333]is[/color] [color=#333333]considered[/color] to be [color=#333333]acceptable[/color]



Nope, deviant still means the same thing it has always meant, and homosexuality could still be called deviant behaviour as its not yet the norm, statistics seem pretty set that between 2-3% of the overall population is homosexual. That small of a percentage can not qualify it as a normal practise.

ed

Edited September 16, 2012 by Ed Normile

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1347563127' post='2482063']
I do not think people at the university are getting hysterical, but those that are bringing the claim against the university. Their accreditation really is not in danger, though LBTG activists would like it to be so.
[/quote]
Do you change the acronym on purpose?

[4588686]

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1347563127' post='2482063']
I do not think people at the university are getting hysterical, but those that are bringing the claim against the university. Their accreditation really is not in danger, though LBTG activists would like it to be so.
[/quote]

LGBT.























Was the correct acronym like 10 years ago.

[Nihil Obstat]

Don't they change the acronym themselves like every 20 months or so?

I think I saw one recently that was LGBTQA.

[Ice_nine]

erryone knows it's LBGTQAPO.

But in you mean deviant to be simple "deviating from the norm" I would guess practicing Catholics would be sexually deviant. One monogamous sexual-relationship your whole life?! Look around bros, that's some crazy poo.

In fact I think I'll start introducing myself as a sexual deviant. It will be great semantical fun!

[tinytherese]

All this tallk of not being the norm reminded me of this.



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_cAS-mvV20[/media]