sixpence Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) This is a hard situation. I know that if my little brother started trying to instruct me in morality, I might also have a pretty violent reaction initially. I know that in some of my poorer moments, when I feel like I am about to be told that yet Another thing is harmful to my relationship with God, the sometimes instinct that I have to fight is to shut my ears so I can claim ignorance later. PS~ I also tend to feel very uncomfortable discussing personal/religion things with my family. I don't know really what caused this. Edited September 11, 2012 by sixpence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 What was the song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='sixpence' timestamp='1347381618' post='2481336'] PS~ I also tend to feel very uncomfortable discussing personal/religion things with my family. I don't know really what caused this. [/quote] I am the same way, except I know exactly what has caused it. Therefore if I were in a similar situation, it would not be productive to use any sort of direct approach. If I am to 'lead' my family in any sort of moral or religious sense, it has to be by example and by them recognizing the effect it has on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 As an older brother, and a bit of a hot head from time to time, I can only give you how I've reacted to this. My younger brother has from time to time to tell me I'm doing something wrong, and my first reaction is almost always to react angrily. I think that reaction is just part of the nature of an older/younger sibling relationship. Now, I've been trying to move towards a better response, but its a challenge. And if your brother isn't interested in that, I don't think the correction will lead to the result you desire. However, I know that when I see my younger brother living as he should, and I'm not, it's incredibly humbling. I think that could be much more effective than any words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1347386445' post='2481361'] As an older brother, and a bit of a hot head from time to time, I can only give you how I've reacted to this. My younger brother has from time to time to tell me I'm doing something wrong, and my first reaction is almost always to react angrily. I think that reaction is just part of the nature of an older/younger sibling relationship. Now, I've been trying to move towards a better response, but its a challenge. And if your brother isn't interested in that, I don't think the correction will lead to the result you desire. However, I know that when I see my younger brother living as he should, and I'm not, it's incredibly humbling. I think that could be much more effective than any words. [/quote] Hm. I figured it had to do with him seeing himself as being the older of us two and therefore more experienced and knowledgeable. I suppose this makes it impossible for me to help him verbally then, and hopefully convince my sister (The oldest out of all of us) to speak up if he does something really out of line, which she usually does, but it seems to have the same result. Now that I think about it trying to tell him something he deems as critical from [i]anybody [/i]makes him angry, even from our father. The only one with leverage is our mother since he worships the ground she walks on. I'm not saying that to be critical or mean, he just always takes her side no matter what. Edited September 11, 2012 by FuturePriest387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyrLRp5Db44"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyrLRp5Db44[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 It is hard to accept things like "music lyrics are morally wrong" when one doesn't even grasp what morality is, or how it affects us. When I was first coming back to my faith, someone did a talk about guarding our eyes and ears, and I thought, at the time, that I would never be *that* good or *that* holy. What I didn't realize is that those choices would help me protect myself and my soul. Your brother sounds like I was at the time. I am sorry to hear about this argument with your brother, but it sounds to me like a much larger issue about relativism (maybe) or about simply not recognizing what these things can do to us spiritually. My best advice it to lead by example. Be open about your faith, and don't hide it for fear of causing bad feelings, but do not assume that anyone is at the same place in life that you are. Some are not ready to hear the truth, some actively avoid it. [b] Preach Always, Use Words Only when Necessary - St. Francis of Assissi[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Seriously, what song was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 [quote name='prose' timestamp='1347469847' post='2481700'] It is hard to accept things like "music lyrics are morally wrong" when one doesn't even grasp what morality is, or how it affects us. When I was first coming back to my faith, someone did a talk about guarding our eyes and ears, and I thought, at the time, that I would never be *that* good or *that* holy. What I didn't realize is that those choices would help me protect myself and my soul. Your brother sounds like I was at the time. I am sorry to hear about this argument with your brother, but it sounds to me like a much larger issue about relativism (maybe) or about simply not recognizing what these things can do to us spiritually. My best advice it to lead by example. Be open about your faith, and don't hide it for fear of causing bad feelings, but do not assume that anyone is at the same place in life that you are. Some are not ready to hear the truth, some actively avoid it. [b] Preach Always, Use Words Only when Necessary - St. Francis of Assissi[/b] [/quote] Thanks. I definitely think it is not realizing what these things can do to us. He believes that unless it is pornography nothing we watch, listen to or read will affect us, which is obviously false. [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1347473793' post='2481734'] Seriously, what song was it? [/quote] My Lover Winchester by the female Pop star Hasan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1347474207' post='2481737'] My Lover Winchester by the female Pop star Hasan. [/quote] I sea whut you did theare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 If Hasan were a chick, instead of the epitome of manliness, I bet he'd be totally hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1347475433' post='2481746'] If Hasan were a chick, instead of the epitome of manliness, I bet he'd be totally hot. [/quote] Can't you see her avatar? Edited September 12, 2012 by FuturePriest387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1347475433' post='2481746'] If Hasan were a chick, instead of the epitome of manliness, I bet he'd be totally hot. [/quote]If Hasan was a chick, (s)he'd be exactly like Janet, Ned's girlfriend in "Our Idiot Brother". Not that I'm judging a fetish for hairy woman pits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1347475665' post='2481748'] Can't you see her avatar? [/quote] So I'm supposed to really believe people are their avatars? I seriously doubt you're ET in a Moe wig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 If people are their avatars, I am in deep, deep trouble.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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