Anomaly Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1349104608' post='2488785'] That's not how government goes about it. Agree or not, you're paying. Also, that wouldn't be "taking". That would be trading. [/quote] Representative Government works the way people allow it to. The alternative is to be ruled by those who are the lucky sperms for hereditary "royalty", or those able to amass the most power by force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1349105003' post='2488789'] Representative Government works the way people allow it to. The alternative is to be ruled by those who are the lucky sperms for hereditary "royalty", or those able to amass the most power by force. [/quote] Representative government works the way those in power want it to work. Did you vote to imprison people for smoking weed? I didn't. Also didn't vote to have laws about the proper length of firearms. Go ahead and tell your representatives they're not going to enforce a law you don't like. Or just disobey it. Buy a fully automatic weapon and explain it to the ATF (they're not elected, and they make regulations that operate as laws. lolchecksandbalances) that the government will work the way you want it to. You believe it's either/or. Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1348857186' post='2487645'] I can't recall names, posting from phone, but I've almost always read the links you and Stern post about the State. Then I would check out the rest of the site and the links on that site or sites. I never really seen the answers to my questions. Perhaps though I missed it. Which anarchists have solid answers to my questions? [/quote] You know Howard Stern? Tell him his interviews of Obama supporters are genius. They're actually pretty dang amesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1349109684' post='2488810'] You know Howard Stern? Tell him his interviews of Obama supporters are genius. They're actually pretty dang amesome. [/quote] Actually he means the great Sternhauser, the most effective Phatmass anarchist we have ever met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1349117512' post='2488841'] Actually he means the great Sternhauser, the most effective Phatmass anarchist we have ever met. [/quote] His poison is slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1349105280' post='2488791'] Representative government works the way those in power want it to work. Did you vote to imprison people for smoking weed? I didn't. Also didn't vote to have laws about the proper length of firearms. Go ahead and tell your representatives they're not going to enforce a law you don't like. Or just disobey it. Buy a fully automatic weapon and explain it to the ATF (they're not elected, and they make regulations that operate as laws. lolchecksandbalances) that the government will work the way you want it to. You believe it's either/or. Okay. [/quote] Ok a representative form of government wouldn't be approved or work under an Anachrist system. I already knew that. My question, one of them, is what form of goverment would work under an Anachrist system? Edited October 1, 2012 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 In my opinion some conceptions of a feudalist society are acceptable to anarchist thought. Personally I call myself a neo-feudal paleolibertarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Winchester Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1349129441' post='2488939'] Ok a representative form of government wouldn't be approved or work under an Anachrist system. I already knew that. My question, one of them, is what form of goverment would work under an Anachrist system? [/quote] Anything not initiating aggression. Yes, feudalism [i]could [/i]work, as Nihil said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nihil Obstat Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 (We're assuming a lot of things with my feudalism, by the way. It's less of an ideology to me, and more of a created utopia.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StMichael Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 That exact scenario happened in 1992. Clinton was elected to office with 42% (Bush 39%, Perot 19%). The problem with this is is that 58% of the country did not vote for the new President. [quote name='eagle_eye222001' timestamp='1347314617' post='2481103'] An example. There is an election and 3 parties run. Party 1, party 2, and party 3. Party 1 gets 45% Party 2 gets 40% Party 3 gets 15% _____________________ In America, who wins? Party 1 wins with our winner take all method and parties 2 and 3 get NOTHING! So what happens in between the next election? How is party 2 going to get to its goal of winning? Who do they need to convince to join them so they can win? If Party 2 can incorporate party 3 into their party platform for the next election, then party 2 wins! And party 3 gets something as well as opposed to nothing. Basically party 3 was bought by party 2. And the cycle continues. This is why there is no major third party in America. Winner take all leaves no incentive to be content with second place in an election. In other nations, second place may well get you some representation still. Something to think about. I'm not convinced of other methods being that much better, but I thought it might be worthwhile to think of the pros and cons of such systems. _____________ edited for clarity. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Not all the politicians follow the 'Party Line'. There are "liberal or conservative" thinkers in both major parties, and there are members of 'third' parties in Federal Government as well as State and Local government. These people still have to appeal to voters to garner their vote. The closer they are to local governemnt, the more they have to be aware of local opinion. It builds up from there. Sure, we have less influence in national elections, especially the Presidency, but our votes are more valuable in local elections. Do you pay attention to who's elected in the City or County Council, school boards, Mayor, etc? What about State representatives? Who are your Congressmen? Did you print out the ballot for November and start googling all the other persons on it? In Florida, my sample ballot is 6 pages long, has 12 State Constitution Ammendments up for vote, 2 County Commissioners, US Senator, State Senator, State Representative, Sheriff, Property Appraiser, 3 Justices in State Court, 4 Judges in the State Court of Appeal, School Board, and 2 Soil and Water Conservation positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1349186935' post='2489201'] Not all the politicians follow the 'Party Line'. There are "liberal or conservative" thinkers in both major parties, and there are members of 'third' parties in Federal Government as well as State and Local government. These people still have to appeal to voters to garner their vote. The closer they are to local governemnt, the more they have to be aware of local opinion. It builds up from there. Sure, we have less influence in national elections, especially the Presidency, but our votes are more valuable in local elections. Do you pay attention to who's elected in the City or County Council, school boards, Mayor, etc? What about State representatives? Who are your Congressmen? Did you print out the ballot for November and start googling all the other persons on it? In Florida, my sample ballot is 6 pages long, has 12 State Constitution Ammendments up for vote, 2 County Commissioners, US Senator, State Senator, State Representative, Sheriff, Property Appraiser, 3 Justices in State Court, 4 Judges in the State Court of Appeal, School Board, and 2 Soil and Water Conservation positions. [/quote] I do. But it's not really a comfort to me knowing my City Council member is a libertarian. I have yet to see a City Council stop the ATF. When they don't get the law they want, they make an end run. This is why we have regulatory agencies. Representation is the essence of cow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1349187235' post='2489202'] I do. But it's not really a comfort to me knowing my City Council member is a libertarian. I have yet to see a City Council stop the ATF. When they don't get the law they want, they make an end run. This is why we have regulatory agencies. Representation is the essence of cow. [/quote]No need to be a big cry baby because you don't always get your way. When you have a group of people, it's fact that it is very unlikely everybody will agree on anything. Majority rules, some win, some loose. Make your case in the public arena. It's a truism, it's never tyranny if you agree with the Tyrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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