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[quote name='brianthephysicist' timestamp='1347219658' post='2480688']
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Oh hey! I know that guys son. Actually we're in a band together.

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[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1347226921' post='2480753']
Sartre's Essays in Existentialism?
Only counts if you're reading it in a Starbucks though.
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Closer. And even better, after reading this, I went and read it in an alternative coffee shop..

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[quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1347244792' post='2480852']
Assumed he'd read that. Is it really?
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I have not read the Communist Manifesto. I read Peter Kreeft's Socrates Meets Marx which was a critical analysis of The Communist Manifesto in High school. But that's as close as I've come.

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[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1347245569' post='2480860']
I have not read the Communist Manifesto. I read Peter Kreeft's Socrates Meets Marx which was a critical analysis of The Communist Manifesto.

[url="http://www.amazon.com/The-Socrates-Meets-Marx-Cross-Examines/dp/0898709709"]http://www.amazon.co...s/dp/0898709709[/url]
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How was it?

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[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1347245608' post='2480861']
How was it?
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I really liked Kreeft. I don't remember being too impressed with this though. Some of it was kind of cheap. For example attacking Marx for not citing 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need' comes off as a bit petty in retrospect since it was a very popular slogan of socialist movements and I don't think anyone engaged at the time would think that Marx was trying to present himself as the originator of the phrase. It seemed to me that such tactics sort of characterized the text. Taking easy shots that would cause a modern audience not acquainted with the sloganeering of 19th centiry labor movements to think that Marx was of low moral character (which may well be true, I know almost nothing about him, but obviously has little bearing on his economic, political, and philosophical arguments). Marx claimed to be a scientist and there is a ready made criticism of Marxism as 'scientific socialism' in Karl Popper's The Open Society And It's Enemies but I don't recall Kreeft ever really broaching these really substantive criticisms of Marxism in any real depth. So I have to say that I suspect that he was kind of phoning it in and remaining in the shallow end intellectually. It seems like apologetics (in the worst sense of the word) rather than real engagement and argument.

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[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1347246226' post='2480865']
I really liked Kreeft. I don't remember being too impressed with this though. Some of it was kind of cheap. For example attacking Marx for not citing 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need' comes off as a bit petty in retrospect since it was a very popular slogan of socialist movements and I don't think anyone engaged at the time would think that Marx was trying to present himself as the originator of the phrase. It seemed to me that such tactics sort of characterized the text. Taking easy shots that would cause a modern audience not acquainted with the sloganeering of 19th centiry labor movements to think that Marx was of low moral character (which may well be true, I know almost nothing about him, but obviously has little bearing on his economic, political, and philosophical arguments). Marx claimed to be a scientist and there is a ready made criticism of Marxism as 'scientific socialism' in Karl Popper's The Open Society And It's Enemies but I don't recall Kreeft ever really broaching these really substantive criticisms of Marxism in any real depth. So I have to say that I suspect that he was kind of phoning it in and remaining in the shallow end intellectually. It seems like apologetics (in the worst sense of the word) rather than real engagement and argument.
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I will not bother with it then. No point in spending time on a critique like that if other people have already done deeper and more rigorous jobs.

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[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1347245569' post='2480860']
I have not read the Communist Manifesto. I read Peter Kreeft's Socrates Meets Marx which was a critical analysis of The Communist Manifesto in High school. But that's as close as I've come.

[url="http://www.amazon.com/The-Socrates-Meets-Marx-Cross-Examines/dp/0898709709"]http://www.amazon.co...s/dp/0898709709[/url]
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I remember not being impressed with the manifesto when I read it in high school. Of course I read it for fun and may have missed some points with regard to the modern day application of it which in its direct form seemed dumb and I had not yet taken my government and economics class yet. *shrug*

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