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[Slappo]

I don't think that "more is better" isn't necessarily true when it comes to readings. I'm not an expert, but just because there is more scripture I don't think it is necessarily superior. There is something nice about having a single year cycle of reading.

Edited September 8, 2012 by Slappo

[BG45]

[quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1347127643' post='2480305']
I don't think that "more is better" isn't necessarily true when it comes to readings.
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You made me think "Easter Vigil" with this sentence. I <3 Easter Vigil to death, but it never fails that I make a beeline for the restroom when it's over. My last parish and this one both believe every optional reading should be used. I may love it, but my bladder doesn't.

And yes, I realize that's not what you meant lol, it's just what I automatically thought of!

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1347127643' post='2480305']
I don't think that "more is better" isn't necessarily true when it comes to readings. I'm not an expert, but just because there is more scripture I don't think it is necessarily superior. There is something nice about having a single year cycle of reading.
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Yes, the attitude with which they approached the cycle of readings was not right IMO. Number one there was the "more is better" idea. As you said, not necessarily superior. Second, there was the attitude that the readings are primarily instruction for the faithful, which is not really the point. Not during Mass. Lastly was the concept that all the readings in any particular Mass should be thematically linked, which sounds good in theory, but in practice what ended up happening is that the thematic link was completely forced at the expense of many valuable readings from the old cycle.

Besides that, as we have seen since the introduction of the Pauline Missal, the one year cycle, especially for Gospel readings, has advantages of its own. With the shorter cycle it is much easier to recognize a Sunday in the year by its reading. Like Good Shepherd Sunday. It makes it easier for the faithful to maintain a connection to the liturgical calendar because it is far easier to recognize those same readings from year to year. It would be asking the impossible to expect the vast majority of Catholics to keep a three year cycle straight in their heads in that respect.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1347130401' post='2480329']
You made me think "Easter Vigil" with this sentence. I <3 Easter Vigil to death, but it never fails that I make a beeline for the restroom when it's over. My last parish and this one both believe every optional reading should be used. I may love it, but my bladder doesn't.

And yes, I realize that's not what you meant lol, it's just what I automatically thought of!
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Oh man, I am assuming you haven't been to the Vigil in according to the 1962 missal, eh? The chanting of the lessons is pretty........ intense. Hugely valuable, but the sheer volume of chanting is extremely onerous.

Edited September 8, 2012 by Nihil Obstat

[BG45]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1347132412' post='2480337']
Oh man, I am assuming you haven't been to the Vigil in according to the 1962 missal, eh? The chanting of the lessons is pretty........ intense. Hugely valuable, but the sheer volume of chanting is extremely onerous.
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I have not, and now I have little desire to...

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1347145735' post='2480374']
I have not, and now I have little desire to...
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Well I mean, from the point of view of those who want to be entertained it is mind numbingly tedious. But from a liturgical point of view, looking at our salvation history, it's fascinating. Generally speaking, it is a 'highlight reel' of humanity, focussing heavily on the prefiguring of our own salvation.

Here's what the Baronius Press missal says:

[indent=1]These four lessons from the Old Testament prepare us for what is to come. The first is the story of Creation, and the prayer at the end reminds us how God, who created us at the beginning, has much more wonderfully redeemed us. The second is the story of the Exodus from Egypt, followed by the singing of Moses' Canticle of triumph after crossing the Red Sea. The prayer tells us how these wonderful events are even more wonderfully repeated now by our deliverance from the slavery of sin through the Water of Baptism. The third is one of the great prophecies of Isaias. It tells how God is going to create a new, spiritual people - His Catholic Church, and is followed by Isaias's song about God's favourite vineyard, His Chosen People. The prayer reminds us that we are the vineyard, cared for by God's own hands. In the last lesson, Moses, the leader of God's people in the Old Testament, reminds them that they must now keep the Law He has given them: and this is repeated in the Song of Moses which follows. We, too, must keep the new Law of Christ, a law no longer of fear but of joy (Rom. 8. 15.).[/indent]


I'll track down a spot from which I can cut and paste the Lessons if anyone wants to see them.

Edited September 8, 2012 by Nihil Obstat

[tinytherese]

If only Resurexi was still here.

[BigJon16]

Thanks for all the responses guys!! I feel a little better now, and understand a bit more!



I had not meant at all to start a debate, and it is nice that one did not break out..

[The OrthoFox]

never before has the orthofox seen such disrespect towards the holy mass go unchallenged~!~ this sinister child- nihil obstat the strange- should be excommunicated ten thousand times for his words- and baned from this site for all times~
first- of all things- first he attacks the holy and most scared propers of the holy sacrifice of the mass- horror of horrors- he attacks peter the saint himself~ for the illustrian pope paul is peter who is led himself by christ, so the reverent father bugnini therefore was inspired by none other than peter the saint and the christ when hecomposed his propers~ never can we kwestion that which the holy father bugnini and the great christ has layed down~
then the strange one attacks the verncular mass~!~ this will not go unchallenged~ never before in the history of teh church did something so great as the vernaculr appear- we should thank pope paul the great for his wisdom in its allowing~ how before could have the faithful understand the mass~?~ they did not~ therefore we must have have vrnacular and it is terrible wrong to disagr~
the orthofox close to did not believe his eyes when he sees that the sinister one deniesing also the validity o masses with no ad orientem style~ wrong again child~ if the ad orientom is so perfect- then did not the holy fathers of the council say that it is not~?~ you see the orthofox is correct~
next we see the sinister child attack as heretics and schisms the great haugen haas and others who- much better than chant before they- compose the music we faithful love and can sing all day the long~ never could they be attacked- they will for sure be saints on the black day when they from move on this world~
most shocking of course- the orthofox nearly died in pain when he sees this terriblething- then he says the caldender is wrong~ never could it be~ the pope himself celebrates the calendre so we know it is right~ peter himself the saint drew the calendir and to the pope paul and annibale gave it wholesale~ to say the calvender comes from satan the devil is none but the most horrid of untruths- god save him the orthofox hopes he is not sirius~

[Nihil Obstat]

Can somebody please explain to me what just happened?

[Groo the Wanderer]

the orthotroll cannot spell very well

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1347426499' post='2481585']
Can somebody please explain to me what just happened?
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i admit, you made me lol.

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1347426499' post='2481585']
Can somebody please explain to me what just happened?
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traditional tabl'e du rye?

[Nihil Obstat]

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traditional tabl'e du rye?
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Lol.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1347426499' post='2481585']
Can somebody please explain to me what just happened?
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Sometimes you see things that make no sense and maybe it's better not knowing. Like the other day when I was driving through town I saw some dude draped in a red robe walking up the sidewalk holding up a huge wall clock and showing it to people as they drove by him.