Anglican Use Of The Roman Rite Mass

[Nihil Obstat]

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The priests back is facing the people because he is "facing East" hence the word "orientem" and most importantly the priest is praying to God, not the people. He is leading the people in prayer. In the Novus Ordo with the priest facing the people you have what our Holy Father deemed a "closed circle" (Spirit of the Liturgy) one that has turned in on itself. In the Novus Ordo we no longer worship in the vertical plane (God) only the horizontal (each other).

I could go on for days about this so I will stop now.
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You. I like you.

[ToJesusMyHeart]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1347050184' post='2479975']
You. I like you.
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Seconded.

[NonNovi]

Oh boy, here we go again with the "I don't like the priest's back" discussion (he wears a nice decorated chasuble just so you would like his back, you know)

Let us return to the topic and continue to drool on those amesome pics. Maybe we can make other suggestions here about how to restore the dignity in some churches with little effort.

- use elements that give a direction towards the altar: carpets, candles, curtains,...
- put a big crucifux in the middle of the back wall.
- use some lace for that little extra touch

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='NonNovi' timestamp='1347055157' post='2480050']
Oh boy, here we go again with the "I don't like the priest's back" discussion (he wears a nice decorated chasuble just so you would like his back, you know)

Let us return to the topic and continue to drool on those amesome pics. Maybe we can make other suggestions here about how to restore the dignity in some churches with little effort.

- use elements that give a direction towards the altar: carpets, candles, curtains,...
- put a big crucifux in the middle of the back wall.
- use some lace for that little extra touch
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Or get rid of the freestanding altar table, either install, or use use a pre-existing high altar, put a lovely crucifix [i]on it[/i], with the tabernacle as well so that the three elements, altar, tabernacle, and crucifix, remain completely together visually so as to keep them together liturgically in the minds of the faithful. ^_^

[emmaberry]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1347061979' post='2480086']
Or get rid of the freestanding altar table, either install, or use use a pre-existing high altar, put a lovely crucifix [i]on it[/i], with the tabernacle as well so that the three elements, altar, tabernacle, and crucifix, remain completely together visually so as to keep them together liturgically in the minds of the faithful. ^_^
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I thought V-II specifically stated that most churches should have a freestanding altar?

If it sounds like I am trying to argue for the priest facing the people, I am not. I prefer ad orientem, but hardly ever see this in an Ordinary Mass... I was just reading something the other day, and it seemed to say that pretty much every church should have a freestanding altar table built.

[Blessed&Grateful]

"Oh boy, here we go again with the "I don't like the priest's back" discussion"

Wrong it wasn't a discussion, I was stating my preference. The only discussion was amongst those who decided to chastise me for having one.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1347066723' post='2480106']
I thought V-II specifically stated that most churches should have a freestanding altar?

If it sounds like I am trying to argue for the priest facing the people, I am not. I prefer ad orientem, but hardly ever see this in an Ordinary Mass... I was just reading something the other day, and it seemed to say that pretty much every church should have a freestanding altar table built.
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Yeah, I think something was said about that. If I am remembering correctly, the idea was that the priest would be able to incense the entire altar. We can chalk it up to an experiment that didn't go as planned, IMO. There is no rule saying that we can't revise that recommendation.
I would be fine with freestanding altars if they were not so badly executed. Even the simplest of high altars, like the one at my parish, look better than the majority of average freestanding altars. And more importantly, I think they do a better job of recalling the sacrificial purpose of the altar itself. The average freestanding altar is too much a table. I believe it has contributed somewhat to a huge overemphasis on the Mass as a meal, when first of all it is an unbloody representation of the sacrifice on Good Friday.

[emmaberry]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1347072450' post='2480141']
Yeah, I think something was said about that. If I am remembering correctly, the idea was that the priest would be able to incense the entire altar. We can chalk it up to an experiment that didn't go as planned, IMO. There is no rule saying that we can't revise that recommendation.
I would be fine with freestanding altars if they were not so badly executed. Even the simplest of high altars, like the one at my parish, look better than the majority of average freestanding altars. And more importantly, I think they do a better job of recalling the sacrificial purpose of the altar itself. [b]The average freestanding altar is too much a table. I believe it has contributed somewhat to a huge overemphasis on the Mass as a meal, when first of all it is an unbloody representation of the sacrifice on Good Friday.[/b]
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[Nihil Obstat]

[url="http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2010/08/eucharistic-reductionism-and-avoiding.html"]This NLM article[/url] about altar arrangements is quite excellent.


Confusion over this complex relationship is particularly evident in instances where a new freestanding altar is retained, while the tabernacle is returned to its original location on the high altar, or even under a baldachin. This places the altar and tabernacle in competition, or perhaps even makes the tabernacle the central focus of the church [i]to the exclusion of the altar[/i]. There is a reason, shortly before the Council, Pius XII thought it best that the tabernacle and altar ought not to be separated, precisely because it avoids this sort of quandary. I am by no means suggesting the tabernacle not be placed at the center and heart of our churches, but the altar must be placed there as well.

The later Liturgical Movement often urged the removal of the tabernacle to some other place in the church to restore the primitive purity of the altar, but by separating the two it seems to have merely confused people both about the role of the altar and the theology of the Real Presence. The wisdom of the rubricians is evident here: the altar is important liturgically; the tabernacle contains the most important Person on earth. Rather than seek to choose between the two, they simply brought them both together. Church restorations must weigh this relationship carefully, while remembering most parishes will still demand a freestanding altar with the tabernacle behind, rather than upon it, for pastoral reasons.

[ACS67]

Blessed&Grateful,
I apologize if I am across as chastising you. My tone can be a bit harsh in regards to this subject (the Mass) because my opinons on the matter are very strong. Again, I apologize.

[InPersonaChriste]

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We have one Anglican Use parish in our diocese. I have not managed to go yet, but I will soon.

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You should come, it's a beautiful mass.

[Nihil Obstat]

I have also had it on my list to attend the Ukrainian Catholic Divine Liturgy for years now, but I never get the opportunity. I guess the Traditional Latin Mass just keeps pulling me back. I will not be complaining as long as I have that Mass.