Anglican Use Of The Roman Rite Mass

[miles Christi]

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Those of you living in the US have no doubt seen this but from far away this is news to me and a delightful one at that so I thought I’d share…

[url="http://www.stmscranton.org/DedicationLiturgy.pdf"]http://www.stmscrant...tionLiturgy.pdf[/url]

Incredible Church Renovation at their first Ordinariate Parish:

[i]Here’s a partial list of what has been accomplished, by God’s grace:[/i]
[i]Former freestanding altar, ambo, font, and side altar removed[/i]
[i]High altar, side altars, [b][u]altar rail[/u][/b] and font from Ascension Church, Williamsport, disassembled, transported to Scranton, and reassembled[/i]
[i]Large central mosaic removed. Dossals hung above all three altars, and crucifix installed over high altar[/i]

[b]Before[/b]
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DLKuj9VCN-w/UEnNHKsC9TI/AAAAAAAABrg/raJNWD7dsE8/s400/stmscranton_before.jpg[/img]


[b]After[/b]
[img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-SRi8_Ypt1cE/UEnNHWFia3I/AAAAAAAABro/bIe1OPUv1YM/s510/stmscranton_after.jpg[/img]

[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Nk6M6GH7ma8/UEnNIfNFM5I/AAAAAAAABr4/1mV4eny2qxg/s512/stmscranton_high%2520altar.jpg[/img]

[img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_-ESBlvMu0w/UEnNHPzp2zI/AAAAAAAABrk/jH3Srwyeo1w/s447/stmscranton.jpg[/img]


“we are humbled to have been used by God as an instrument for attaining some small measure of the Christian unity for which our Lord prayed those two thousand years ago.”
source: [url="http://www.stmscranton.org/history.html"]http://www.stmscrant...rg/history.html[/url]

Amen

[NonNovi]

Wooaaah, this is pure amesomeness!! It's not that hard to make a church or chapel a little more sacral, just a few touches here and there

Edited September 7, 2012 by NonNovi

[miles Christi]

[quote name='NonNovi' timestamp='1347020741' post='2479787']
Wooaaah, this is pure amesomeness!! It's not that hard to make a church or chapel a little more sacral, just a few touches her and there
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same goes for the Liturgy I think

[ToJesusMyHeart]

PRAISE GOD! This is absolutely BEAUTIFUL!

Gimme a wish upon a star and I'll wish for all churches to be renovated in this magnificent manner.

Edited September 7, 2012 by ToJesusMyHeart

[Chiquitunga]

Avvesome! So wonderful to see! No, I had not heard of this one in PA .. thanks for sharing!

We have Our Lady of the Atonement in San Antonio, TX too [url="http://www.atonementonline.com/"]http://www.atonementonline.com/[/url] and they have a foundation of the PCPAs there, [url="http://www.texasnuns.com/"]http://www.texasnuns.com/[/url]

[Nihil Obstat]

We have one Anglican Use parish in our diocese. I have not managed to go yet, but I will soon.

[img]http://calgaryordinariate.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/1/6/2916698/9562390_orig.jpg[/img]

[filius_angelorum]

Something many forget: if you make a church look traditional most ordinary people won't care, most of those who like modern architecture will still go, and many new members will be attracted by the traditional architecture who would otherwise stay away. So, it is at least a better strategy to build something traditional and let the pundits complain than to build something modern and have very few appreciate it.

[she_who_is_not]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1347025003' post='2479796']
We have one Anglican Use parish in our diocese. I have not managed to go yet, but I will soon.

[img]http://calgaryordinariate.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/1/6/2916698/9562390_orig.jpg[/img]
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What I miss about my protestant church?

1. Kneeling at the altar rail to receive communion
2. Rood screens

Seems a little backwards.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='she_who_is_not' timestamp='1347027082' post='2479806']
What I miss about my protestant church?

1. Kneeling at the altar rail to receive communion
2. Rood screens

Seems a little backwards.
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The kneeling at the rail at least I have at my normal parish. It's not much, but it is there, and I appreciate having it. We are probably the only parish in the diocese that has one, even if it's of the moveable style.
Rood screens are cool though. I would love to see them back in style. I suppose I would somewhat prefer altar canopies to come back in style first, but rood screens are very elegant.
That reminds me of a good NLM post on rood screens. I do not have time to look it up right now though.

[Blessed&Grateful]

Only thing about the rite I dislike is the priest's back. I prefer he faces the congregation.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

Miles Christi-- Even as an Anglican non-Catholic, I think it was wonderful that the Pope gave Anglican parishes who wished to convert to the Roman Catholic Church the option to continue to use a version of their familiar Anglican liturgy.

However, to be precise, as I understand it, Ordinariate congregations that convert to Roman Catholicism and continue to use the traditional Anglican liturgy (with a few changes)--hence the term "Anglican use"--are not using the "Roman Rite Mass" but the "Anglican Rite Mass." Nihil or someone else can can correct me if I am confused and am using the terms incorrectly.

I have never been to an Ordinariate congregation (the closest to me is at least 4 hours away--maybe more), but I am told that the liturgy is gorgeous. The liturgy apparently is very close to the Traditional Latin Mass, but in English, and not modern English, so it is very poetic and beautiful. I think that if there were an Ordinariate parish near me, I might attend Mass there for the liturgy, even if I couldn't take Communion.

BTW--The Web site of the church of Our Lady of the Atonement (Chiquitunga's post above gives the link) includes the text of the Ordinariate Mass so you can see how it differs from a standard American English Roman Catholic Mass.

Also, one interesting thing is that, at least where I live, the Episcopal (Anglican) churches have generally not removed the altar rail or the kneelers in the pews, because kneeling is still normally part of the Anglican liturgy. Very modern, newly built churches may perhaps be different (I haven't visited any lately), but if an Episcopal church already has an altar rail and kneelers, I think the parish usually keeps them and does not remove them. In fact, since it has been many years since I have been in a Catholic church, I was shocked when I first came to Phatmass and heard that altar rails and kneelers have frequently been removed--or not included in the first place the building is new. If a Catholic church does not have an altar rail and kneelers, how do you know that you are not in a Presbyterian or Methodist church? (Although the Stations of the Cross on the walls of the church might help give it away.)

As for rood screens, they are much more rare in the U.S. except in much older churches (well, "older" by U.S. standards), but there are many Anglican churches in the U.K. with beautiful rood screens.

Note: Would it make sense to move this thread to "Open Mic" so more people might see it, since it's not directly related to vocations?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Blessed&Grateful' timestamp='1347033531' post='2479841']
Only thing about the rite I dislike is the priest's back. I prefer he faces the congregation.
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In my opinion it is both theologically and pastorally preferable for the priest to face ad orientem.
Also the rubrics of the Novus Ordo actually assume an ad orientem posture.

[ToJesusMyHeart]

Ad Orientem or bust.

[ACS67]

The priests back is facing the people because he is "facing East" hence the word "orientem" and most importantly the priest is praying to God, not the people. He is leading the people in prayer. In the Novus Ordo with the priest facing the people you have what our Holy Father deemed a "closed circle" (Spirit of the Liturgy) one that has turned in on itself. In the Novus Ordo we no longer worship in the vertical plane (God) only the horizontal (each other).

I could go on for days about this so I will stop now.

[emmaberry]

[quote name='filius_angelorum' timestamp='1347025339' post='2479798']
Something many forget: if you make a church look traditional most ordinary people won't care, most of those who like modern architecture will still go, and many new members will be attracted by the traditional architecture who would otherwise stay away. So, it is at least a better strategy to build something traditional and let the pundits complain than to build something modern and have very few appreciate it.
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Outta props, but .