Rorate Caeli Article: Mass For Masons

[Nihil Obstat]

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[url="http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/08/a-vatican-ii-moment-masonic-memorial.html#more"][b] A Vatican II Moment: The Masonic Memorial Mass[/b][/url]





[left][font=inherit][size=4][i]t remains each man's duty to retain an understanding of the whole human person in which the values of intellect, will, conscience and fraternity are preeminent[/i][/size][/font][/left]

[right][i][font=inherit][size=4][i]Gaudium et spes[/i], 61[/size][/font][/i][/right]



[i][font=inherit][size=4]It may sometimes seem to a couple of readers that we enjoy reporting these things: we do not, we find no pleasure in it, it pains our hearts deeply. We actually saw this when it was first posted, and hesitated about mentioning it, but today our friends at [i]Fratres in Unum[/size][/font][/i] asked us to make it known around the world, and we could not refuse their request.


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[font=inherit][size=4]This is a regular Novus Ordo mass: it is nothing out of the ordinary, not even the use of a "stealth priestess" (that is, a vested female EMHC), or special guests in the sanctuary. Liturgically, that is, it is nothing out of the ordinary ordinariness of the ordinary rite almost everywhere: this is it; we know that there are a dozen or so new masses around the world celebrated in order to look like the Traditional Latin Mass, but they do not "herald" any change, alas, despite the fervent wishes of their promoters.[/size][/font]


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[font=inherit][size=4]What makes this mass noteworthy, therefore, is the occasion: it is a memorial new mass for the "Day of the Freemason", celebrated by Father [url="http://www.diocesedepesqueira.org/index-presbiterio.php"]Geraldo de Magela Silva[/url], of the Diocese of Pesqueira (state of Pernambuco, Brazil), on August 20, 2012. Its images were actually posted in the Facebook page of a Masonic organization.[/size][/font]


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[font=inherit][size=4]When contacted about it, the local bishop, José Luiz Ferreira Salles, CSsR, "excused himself and simply said that he ... had just arrived from a trip."[url="http://fratresinunum.com/2012/08/24/missa-dia-do-macom"] [Source and tip: Fratres in Unum][/url][/size][/font]

Edited August 25, 2012 by Nihil Obstat

[Vincent Vega]

The issues in the Latin American Church started long before Vatican II. Syncretism is not a new trend in that part of the world.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1345928942' post='2474193']
The issues in the Latin American Church started long before Vatican II. Syncretism is not a new trend in that part of the world.
[/quote]

I would agree with this.

[Egidio]

Brazil has all sorts of issues. If you thought that the English translation of the missal needed work, you should check out the Brazilian version!!!!

[Nihil Obstat]

So I have heard.
Also there is the liberation theology, not necessarily in Brazil, but in the general area. I am sure Brazil feels the effects, even if it is not entirely a local issue.

[Egidio]

Pray, pray, pray. There is much confusion, and need for much conversion...I suppose i should start with myself

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345936999' post='2474229']
So I have heard.
Also there is the liberation theology, not necessarily in Brazil, but in the general area. I am sure Brazil feels the effects, even if it is not entirely a local issue.
[/quote]
There's also plenty of liberation theology in the White House.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1345938558' post='2474240']
There's also plenty of liberation theology in the White House.
[/quote]

I am not sure there is much more than passing similarity between Latin American liberation theology, and black liberation theology.

I may be wrong about that though, and I would be very interested to read more if someone has good references on the subject.


Edit: More importantly, I don't think Obama ever bought into anything vaguely Christian. If he frequented a Christian community, it was to score political points. Obama believes in Obama. Not Christ.

Edited August 25, 2012 by Nihil Obstat

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345938681' post='2474242']
I am not sure there is much more than passing similarity between Latin American liberation theology, and black liberation theology.

I may be wrong about that though, and I would be very interested to read more if someone has good references on the subject.


Edit: More importantly, I don't think Obama ever bought into anything vaguely Christian. If he frequented a Christian community, it was to score political points. Obama believes in Obama. Not Christ.
[/quote]
I was unaware either were in line with Church teaching. I'm pretty sure taking religion out of Christianity in any form would be condemned.

Perhaps we should be more worried about dealing with the liberation theologians we have here, rather than in Brazil or wherever else.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1345939027' post='2474245']
I was unaware either were in line with Church teaching. I'm pretty sure taking religion out of Christianity in any form would be condemned.

Perhaps we should be more worried about dealing with the liberation theologians we have here, rather than in Brazil or wherever else.
[/quote]

Sorry, I am not sure I understand what you are saying.

[r2Dtoo]

You think Obama telling the Catholic Bishops that they need to listen him isn't liberation theology?

You think Obama forcing Catholic insurance companies to provide contraceptives isn't liberation theology?

How about we, as Americans, focus on the poo being thrown at us and not the rest of the world for a change.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1345939270' post='2474251']
You think Obama telling the Catholic Bishops that they need to listen him isn't liberation theology?

You think Obama forcing Catholic insurance companies to provide contraceptives isn't liberation theology?

How about we, as Americans, focus on the poo being thrown at us and not the rest of the world for a change.
[/quote]

Hm... does that constitute liberation theology? I do not think so. More like statist orthodoxy.
I guess I am being glib. I really do not see a connection between liberation theology and recent American federal government attacks on freedom of religion. If those attacks were religiously [i]motivated[/i], specifically Christianity, then perhaps. But I do not think a comparison to liberation theology really makes sense unless it were wrapped up in Christian language, as liberation theology is. Maybe I am not understanding you.

Also, I am not American... so there you go.

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345939664' post='2474255']
Hm... does that constitute liberation theology? I do not think so. More like statist orthodoxy.
I guess I am being glib. I really do not see a connection between liberation theology and recent American federal government attacks on freedom of religion. If those attacks were religiously [i]motivated[/i], specifically Christianity, then perhaps. But I do not think a comparison to liberation theology really makes sense unless it were wrapped up in Christian language, as liberation theology is. Maybe I am not understanding you.

Also, I am not American... so there you go.
[/quote]
You don't know Barrack Obama if you think he's not into liberation theology.

[r2Dtoo]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/obama_black_liberation_theolog_1.html

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1345939747' post='2474256']
You don't know Barrack Obama if you think he's not into liberation theology.
[/quote]

As I said, I think that any trappings of Christianity that Obama put on was purely for political gain, not because of any belief of his. Obama believes in Obama. He believes in the State. The last thing he believes in is Christ.