Have Women Succeeded In Becoming All They Hate?

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[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1346034305' post='2474682']
Also, ignorance of scripture is a pretty rude accusation. I mean, I don't have tons of scripture passages memorized but I know that the Archangel Uriel is [i]never[/i] mentioned by name in the Bible. The only three mentioned [i]by name[/i] in the canonical Scriptures are Gabriel, Raphael, and Michael. Several instances of angelic intervention/action are attributed to him, but he's never once named.
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Plus Puriel and Dokiel are mentioned in the non-canonical text the Testament of Abraham from the second century, so it wouldn't be an ignorance of the Scriptures, but an ignorance of something the Church and most Jews don't view as divinely inspired.

[Gabriela]

[quote name='beatitude' timestamp='1346035667' post='2474702']
Am I the only Catholic feminist on Phatmass?

Somebody please tell me that I am not the only person around here who secretly wants to be a man, is turning into everything she claims to hate, and headdesks at 'reverse discrimination'.

We need a support group of some kind.
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I have no idea if you're the only feminist here, but since you mentioned some things I put in my post, I'll just say: I was a militant feminist in college. That was back when the second-wave was still raging, even though the third-wave had begun (colleges are always behind...). Then I spent some time among [i]very[/i] traditional women, and I saw that feminists had demeaned everything traditionally feminine in order to "prove" that women are as good as men. But what was "good" was judged by traditional male standards of success, value, etc. I'm not entirely opposed to third-wave feminism, but there are still plenty of reverse-discriminating women out there; it's those I oppose.

I was once standing among a group of about 10 men, and all of them were telling me how they were feminists. Since I'm pretty staunchly anti-feminist, I kept my mouth shut. Then one Turkish guy spoke up: "I'm not for feminism. I'm for social justice. Period."

I'd agree with that.

Edited August 27, 2012 by curiousing

[Gabriela]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1346036599' post='2474717']
Y'all could get together and make sammiches.
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[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='beatitude' timestamp='1346035667' post='2474702']
Am I the only Catholic feminist on Phatmass?

Somebody please tell me that I am not the only person around here who secretly wants to be a man, is turning into everything she claims to hate, and headdesks at 'reverse discrimination'.

We need a support group of some kind.
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No, you're not. I'm a Catholic feminist too. I just don't know if I can stop keyboardsmashing at this thread long enough to post something in response.

I like having rights. It's kind of amesome. So...yeah.

[Winchester]

Puriel is the angel of handsoap.

[beatitude]

[quote name='curiousing' timestamp='1346072520' post='2474854']
I was once standing among a group of about 10 men, and all of them were telling me how they were feminists. Since I'm pretty staunchly anti-feminist, I kept my mouth shut. Then one Turkish guy spoke up: "I'm not for feminism. I'm for social justice. Period."

I'd agree with that.
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Tackling inequality and injustice often requires the use of specific terminology to refer to specific aspects of justice. Would you also agree with, "I'm not for anti-racism, I'm for social justice. Period," and describe yourself as 'staunchly anti-racial justice'? On a practical level distinct terminology is needed. The fact that people are still ashamed to call themselves feminist and are keen to portray it as a bad thing (on the basis of women whom they saw as bad adverts for it) is an example of exactly how much feminism has left to achieve. It's really not a dirty word.

I'm not sure what 'traditionally feminine' even means (that I like to wear long skirts and jewellery? That I enjoy watching ballet?) but I have never let the behaviour of feminists I disagree with tarnish my appreciation for a movement that means I'm able to attend college and say what I think. Feminists aren't uniform. They have never tried to be. It's not about turning themselves into somebody else (men), but in achieving the same rights as men whilst remaining who they are - no matter whether they and their lives look 'traditionally feminine' in the eyes of society or are as unconventional as you could get.

[cmotherofpirl]

It all depends on the definition of the word "feminist".... I have the same rights as everyone, but I also have the same responsibilities. Many people claiming today to be feminists just don't get that.

[Tally Marx]

I guess you could say I am a feminist.
I believe that women have the same dignity and fundamental rights as every human being and were created by God for the same purpose--to know, Love, and serve Him, and get to heaven. I believe that this should be recongized publicly, and I am glad that it has been and I can vote, and own land, and have a job. Anyone who stands for this, stands for women.

I have seen many who are supposedly "for women" but deny the the true purpose of Woman and try to give them "rights" at the expense of others (like the unborn, for example). A real feminist must also be a humanist, since feminine dignity is second to and dependent upon human dignity. So, a lot of these "feminists" we have a problem with aren't, techincally speaking, feminists.

[tinytherese]

CMom is right. There's a wide spectrum of feminists, so if someone claims to be one, they need to be more specific in what they mean by feminist. We don't all think alike.

I'm all for women being able to vote, have equal pay, have the opportunity to get the same jobs, etc. Am I for abortion? Heck no, because abortion hurts the women who get them and the fathers of the babies as well. Women deserve better.

Both sexes are to be treated with dignity. Women who have or who's female ancesters have experienced discrimination because of their sex don't have any right to look down on men, intimidate, or punish them however. I understand that women have suffered for countless years, but I will not participate in discriminating against every man because of it.

Read Mulieris Dignitatem (On the Dignity and Vocation of Women,) The Privilege of Being a Woman, and The Authentic Catholic Woman.

I still stick by what I said in that recent thread which was on a similar topic. [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/123327-i-want-to-abuse-womenapparently/page__st__20"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/123327-i-want-to-abuse-womenapparently/page__st__20[/url]

"With all due respect, saying that women have suffered for far longer than men in regards to discrimination, therefore men shouldn't complain appears to be minimizing what they are going through. Abuse is wrong no matter how long it's for.

I also fail to see how this is still a man's world. In some parts of the world I can see it and there are some parts of this country where it can certainly be found, but I also see a lot of women domineering men, and in other circumstances mutual respect. In the U.S. it is seen as completely normal for both sexes to go to college. (And yes I know that it doesn't happen exactly like that according to statistics, but ask your average American and they'll tell you that yea both guys and girls going to college is pretty much expected.) The amount of boys and girls in my tae kwon do class was about equal. My mom didn't have trouble finding jobs as a lawyer and is now one of the managers in one section of the law firm that she works at.

I'm sick of inclusive language and certain (but certainly not all) women want to spell women as "womyn" because they don't want to be connected to men, or in Legally Blonde where one woman is upset over the word "Semester" because it's a male reproductive word (as in seemen,) and wants to petition that it be called "Ovester" because it would be connected to the male reproductive "ovary."

I attended a two year women's college and sometimes would get ticked at what certain peers of mine would say. One of them ranted about how sugar packets and other silly items in the cafeteria were used by men to keep a woman in her place. The blue packet said "Equal" or "Equality," meaning that all men are equal but not women. Meanwhile there was another packet which was pink that said "Sweet and Low," which symbolized how a woman is to be kind and therefore have a low status in society. (Please note that I am not saying that you are like these women and I know that my examples are extreme, but I hope that you get my point.)"

[Nihil Obstat]

When it comes to men and women and sexuality, I tend to take my lead from Dietrich and Alice von Hildebrand.

[sixpence]

Yes, I am thankful to live in an age where, as a woman, I can support myself, own things, play paintball, etc.
I am not thankful to live in an age where I am expected stifle my femininity, or at the very least, when I am looked down upon for wanting to maintain my feminine identity.
I am not thankful to live in an age where I am expected to sleep around (and stifle any emotional attachments that might develop as a result), but would be looked down upon if I decided to have children while still in school.

[jazzytakara]

I think today many women are forgetting what the feminist movement was about. It started out with women getting together to fight for equality and more rights, as not too long ago women didn't have many rights or any real power. Also the movement was meant to give women freedom, the freedom to choose how they lead their lives. If a women wanted a career she could have one, if she chose to be a housewife and raise a family she could, if she wanted both she was more than entitled too. These days however, many women seem to think that feminism is about shattering 'femininity', seperating women from men, doing away with 'gender roles', etc. They have lost focus on what feminism was even about, as so many so called 'feminists' frown upon my choice to want to be a wife and mother some day (I am in university working for a career hopefully someday too), acting as if I am trying to set the feminist movement back, and claim I support the oppression of women if I choose to live a lifestyle where I am allowing my body to be 'oppressed' with pregnancy and a wedding ring.

I'm sorry but its my life and I think that by 2012 a women should have the right to choose what life path she takes, without fear of being judged by other women. Messed up.
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