The Gay Debate: The Bible And Homosexuality

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1345864008' post='2473898']
Because to have a campaign singling out the problems of single mothers would be singling them out judging their behavior and judgement is the ultimate sin. Women have the "right" to go and produce babies just because they want them (selfishness etc) and to hell with the fact that kids really need a dad.
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Judging? Almost. More like offending someone is the ultimate sin. People are so damned easily offended these days, and all that has to happen is [i]one person[/i] beeshes and everybody has to change.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1345863840' post='2473893']
Nihil, have you ever shot or owned any of these calibers or guns that deploy them? The reason I ask the 9mm is probably the least accurate handgun cartridge, known to tumble in trajectory and have limited stopping power, thats the reason that law enforcement agencies such as teh FBI and DEA have abandoned them for .40 caliber handguns.

The 22 long rifle cartridge is a nominal small game cartridge, more suited to plinking. If you want a great, flat trajectory small caliber with punch, it will shoot through 1/4 inch steel plate at 50 yards then the 17 HMR is the choice. For hunting the .308 or the 30.06 are both tried and proven cartridges and excellent choices .

ed
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No and no, but I've spent more hours than I care to admit researching the subject.
I think .22LR is a good calibre because of its price and low recoil among other things. I'm not saying it's the best for every situation, but I'm probably thinking along the lines of survivalist situations. Or zombie apocalypse, if that's your thing.

I've not heard anything about the parabellum being inherently inaccurate though. Do you have stats or anything on that?

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1345864052' post='2473900']
You are wrong.
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Revising scripture is politically correct now. Haven't you heard?

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1345865223' post='2473915']
Revising scripture is politically correct now. Haven't you heard?
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It's just like editing a Wikipedia page. Who hasn't done it?

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1345865317' post='2473916']
It's just like editing a Wikipedia page. Who hasn't done it?
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I did once, but that was to edit something inappropriate from the page.

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1345865363' post='2473918']
I did once, but that was to edit something inappropriate from the page.
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Let me guess, someone posted something about Michael Vorris that you just happen to "know" was factual incorrect.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1345865919' post='2473921']
Let me guess, someone posted something about Michael Vorris that you just happen to "know" was factual incorrect.
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Um, no. it was the Enya Wikipedia page and someone wrote something sexually inappropriate so I edited it.

[r2Dtoo]

Only you would actually bother to look up Enya on Wikipedia.

[Nihil Obstat]

One time in high school, just for funsies, I tried vandalizing a wiki page. From subtle to not so much. All my edits were caught within five minutes. Pretty impressive.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345864688' post='2473908']
No and no, but I've spent more hours than I care to admit researching the subject.
I think .22LR is a good calibre because of its price and low recoil among other things. I'm not saying it's the best for every situation, but I'm probably thinking along the lines of survivalist situations. Or zombie apocalypse, if that's your thing.

I've not heard anything about the parabellum being inherently inaccurate though. Do you have stats or anything on that?
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No, LOL I do not keep stats on handguns or cartridges but I am sure a quick internet search can provide you with this.

The FBI carry the Glock 22 .40 caliber semi auto, for its superior stopping power and accuracy. They used to carry the 9mm and even at the onset it was a controversial issue due to the accuracy issue. You see its a low power to bullet ratio cartridge leading to a tendency to tumble and low penetration.

My first rifle was a Glenfield Marlin 22 LR semi automatic , I would bet that 99% of American kids start out with this cartridge, its great for stopping rabbits and squirrels and rats, but you would most likely only enrage anything larger shooting it with a .22 unless you were an incredibly accurate shot and well versed in your preys anatomy.

I own a .40 caliber Taurus PT 140 Millenium Pro semi-auto handgun and its the bomb, reasonable recoil and accurate and it can be a concealed carry weapon and will punch a hole through a cinder block. I own a Ruger BlackHawk single shot six in .45 ACP - .45 Colt , convertible , an interchangeable cylinder revolver. I own a Charter Arms Undercover .38 special police backup revolver billed as the smallest lightest .38 special steel frame revolver produced at the time. I had a Browning Hi Power , sold that as it was inaccurate and tended to jam a lot like 9mm's are prone to do. I have a Ruger MK 2, .22 LR great little plinking pistol and lots of fun, first pistol I bought my boys.

ed

Edited August 25, 2012 by Ed Normile

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1345867460' post='2473937']
No, LOL I do not keep stats on handguns or cartridges but I am sure a quick internet search can provide you with this.

The FBI carry the Glock 22 .40 caliber semi auto, for its superior stopping power and accuracy. They used to carry the 9mm and even at the onset it was a controversial issue due to the accuracy issue. You see its a low power to bullet eight cartridge leading to a tendency to tumble and low penetration.

My first rifle was a Glenfield Marlin 22 LR semi automatic , I would bet that 99% of American kids start out with this cartridge, its great for stopping rabbits and squirrels and rats, but you would most likely only enrage anything larger shooting it with a .22 unless you were an incredibly accurate shot and well versed in your preys anatomy.

I own a .40 caliber Taurus PT 140 Millenium Pro semi-auto handgun and its the bomb, reasonable recoil and accurate and it can be a concealed carry weapon. I own a Ruger BlackHawk single shot six in .45 ACP - .45 Colt , convertible , an interchangeable cylinder, I own a Charter Arms Undercover .38 special police backup revolver, I had a Browning Hi Power , sold that as it was inaccurate and tended to jam a lot like 9mm are prone to do. I have a Ruger MK 2, .22 LR great little plinking pistol and lots of fun, first pistol I bought my boys.

ed
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My mom carries the Glock 22 on duty as well. Also has a 19 at home. I would love a Beretta 92FS as a first handgun, although that may be beyond my means when that time comes.

[Ice_nine]

People's understanding of the Church's teachings on sexual morality:

Try not to have sex until you're married, *wink* (because we all know that's impossible) but if you do, make sure it's not gay and DON'T use a condom (unless you're gay. The pope says it's ok!)


I'm just starting to crack at TOB. There's such a wonderful richness and mysticism in human sexuality, hence why I've stopped debating people who want to reduce it to a mere physiological urge. I just feel bad for them now. They're missing out.

Edited August 25, 2012 by Ice_nine

[dUSt]

I understand everyone's points. Gay marriage is detrimental to society. I don't disagree.

Previously, when I said, "Who cares if people are gay or they get a civil marriage or union. It has nothing to do with the church and the sacrament."... it may have been misunderstood.

Just like I might say, "Who cares if a Protestant church is pro-choice, it has nothing to do with the church's teaching on the matter." -or- "Who cares if 99% of Catholics use contraception, it doesn't change the church's teaching". -or- "who cares if over half of marriages end in divorce, it doesn't mean that it is acceptable".

That's all my inability to talk good. Of course I care.

My main point was that the "gay marriage" issue is always made to look like it is the most important issue facing us today--and is portrayed in the media as somehow being the primary battle the Church is waging war on right now. In my opinion, I simply don't think it is. I think there are many more important issues that I would rather see the church "tagged" with.


...all this to say, I still don't understand why Socrates is so mean to me.

[4588686]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1345867460' post='2473937']
No, LOL I do not keep stats on handguns or cartridges but I am sure a quick internet search can provide you with this.

The FBI carry the Glock 22 .40 caliber semi auto, for its superior stopping power and accuracy. They used to carry the 9mm and even at the onset it was a controversial issue due to the accuracy issue. You see its a low power to bullet eight cartridge leading to a tendency to tumble and low penetration.

My first rifle was a Glenfield Marlin 22 LR semi automatic , I would bet that 99% of American kids start out with this cartridge, its great for stopping rabbits and squirrels and rats, but you would most likely only enrage anything larger shooting it with a .22 unless you were an incredibly accurate shot and well versed in your preys anatomy.

I own a .40 caliber Taurus PT 140 Millenium Pro semi-auto handgun and its the bomb, reasonable recoil and accurate and it can be a concealed carry weapon. I own a Ruger BlackHawk single shot six in .45 ACP - .45 Colt , convertible , an interchangeable cylinder, I own a Charter Arms Undercover .38 special police backup revolver, I had a Browning Hi Power , sold that as it was inaccurate and tended to jam a lot like 9mm are prone to do. I have a Ruger MK 2, .22 LR great little plinking pistol and lots of fun, first pistol I bought my boys.

ed
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The very first gun I ever shot was my dad's rifle. But all of us kids (me, brother, cousins) really learned to shoot with a 22 (pepsi can in the woods!). I think it's good because it lets kids develop the fundamentals without the pain that comes with a higher caliber that kicks.

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1345857602' post='2473813']
No, homosexuality is not the only serious sin out there, nor is it the single worst sin, but that does not excuse failure to speak out defending Church teaching on it when it is attacked; much less does it justify criticizing your fellow Catholics for doing so.
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Homosexual [i]acts[/i], not [i]homosexuality[/i].