The Gay Debate: The Bible And Homosexuality

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1345858555' post='2473824']
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IMO 9mm parabellum is the best all around pistol cartridge, followed by .45acp and for rifles again all around, I think .22lr slightly edges out 30.06, although I'd rather have a 30.06.
Not a big fan of flowers though.

[4588686]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345858724' post='2473827']
IMO 9mm parabellum is the best all around pistol cartridge, followed by .45acp and for rifles again all around, I think .22lr slightly edges out 30.06, although I'd rather have a 30.06.[/QUOTE]

My father hunts with a 30.06.

[QUOTE]Not a big fan of flowers though.
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I didn't type flowers. The fiddler transformed it from a different 'f' word.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1345858825' post='2473828']
My father hunts with a 30.06.



I didn't type flowers. The fiddler transformed it from a different 'f' word.
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When I can afford it I really want to get a 30.06 bolt action rifle. Like this one:

[img]http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/attachments/remington/27504d1259731840-remington-700-info-remington-700-bdl-30.06-rifle-017.jpg[/img]

Not quite in the budget right now, but it's far from unrealistic.

[dUSt]

Socrates, you're mean to me.

[Maximilianus]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345860341' post='2473843']
When I can afford it I really want to get a 30.06 bolt action rifle. Like this one:

[img]http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/attachments/remington/27504d1259731840-remington-700-info-remington-700-bdl-30.06-rifle-017.jpg[/img]

Not quite in the budget right now, but it's far from unrealistic.
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One of the best out of the box rifles ever made. I'd get one in .308.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Maximilianus' timestamp='1345861969' post='2473869']
One of the best out of the box rifles ever made. I'd get one in .308.
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I've heard that .308 is excellent too.

[To Jesus Through Mary]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345860341' post='2473843']


[img]http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/attachments/remington/27504d1259731840-remington-700-info-remington-700-bdl-30.06-rifle-017.jpg[/img]

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You crazy people "clinging to your guns and religion"...

You're my kind of people.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1345819571' post='2473468']
Someone tell me I'm a bad Catholic for placing little importance on any issue related to gayness.

I don't understand why some Catholics/Christians talk about the gay marriage issue in the same breath as the abortion issue. In my mind, they are not even close. Should we blame the media? Our bishops? Politics?

Does this annoy anyone else or just me?

To me gay marriage is an immoral act, but so is divorce, and so is infidelity, and so is sex before marriage. All of these things are sins, but why do we only here about gay marriage when people talk about "the church's issues"? I don't get it.

Who cares if people are gay or they get a civil marriage or union. It has nothing to do with the church and the sacrament.
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The reason you hear more about gay marriage in the media or when people talk "the church's issues" is that its easier to defend a couple defined as loving and wanting to affirm their love than it is to defend a woman murdering a yet born human baby. Sure there is no comparison, murder is terrible, it almost blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of life. Even the media and most people that are pro-death have to admit there is something wrong with taking a life, they prosecute you on 2 counts of murder if you kill an expectant mother and her yet born child dies, but only those hateful, homophobic relics known as catholics want to deny the rights of gays to be happily married.

ed

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='To Jesus Through Mary' timestamp='1345863254' post='2473884']
You crazy people "clinging to your guns and religion"...

You're my kind of people.
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I'm not even American.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345858724' post='2473827']
IMO 9mm parabellum is the best all around pistol cartridge, followed by .45acp and for rifles again all around, I think .22lr slightly edges out 30.06, although I'd rather have a 30.06.
Not a big fan of flowers though.
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Nihil, have you ever shot or owned any of these calibers or guns that deploy them? The reason I ask the 9mm is probably the least accurate handgun cartridge, known to tumble in trajectory and have limited stopping power, thats the reason that law enforcement agencies such as teh FBI and DEA have abandoned them for .40 caliber handguns.

The 22 long rifle cartridge is a nominal small game cartridge, more suited to plinking. If you want a great, flat trajectory small caliber with punch, it will shoot through 1/4 inch steel plate at 50 yards then the 17 HMR is the choice. For hunting the .308 or the 30.06 are both tried and proven cartridges and excellent choices .

ed

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1345820570' post='2473482']
Wouldn't we be better off then, focusing on the breakdown of the family, rather than focusing on gay marriage? Having children out of wedlock is way more detrimental to society than gay marriage. Why do we never hear about campaigns to fight the problems facing single mothers, or divorces? It seems the focus is wrong.
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Because to have a campaign singling out the problems of single mothers would be singling them out judging their behavior and judgement is the ultimate sin. Women have the "right" to go and produce babies just because they want them (selfishness etc) and to hell with the fact that kids really need a dad.

[To Jesus Through Mary]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345863782' post='2473890']
I'm not even American.
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Your taste in rifles has helped me over look this flaw.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1345823422' post='2473496']
False.

One of my favorite verses is Acts 20:28: "Therefore, brethren, do whatever thou dost like, for God doth not care if you clearly do not respect him and his laws." That one always inspires me.
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You are wrong.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1345823422' post='2473496']Therefore, brethren, do whatever thou dost like,
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[color=#ff0000][b]Revise: agreement[/b][/color]

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1345827358' post='2473540']
Yeah, I see your point. I guess I have already given up on "government issued" marriages because they have already strayed so far from my understanding of a sacramental marriage. I figure, whatever--let the government define their version, and we as Catholics strengthen and defend our sacrament--distancing ourselves as much as we can from the government issued version. I suppose I view trying to defend and influence the government's definition of marriage is a losing battle.
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Dust one thing most people do not even consider when talking about gay marriage and the governments acceptance of it is the intended side effects. The main reason gays want to have a legally recognized marriage is the benefits they can then receive, such as health coverage from an employer for their "spouse" , think of it in this way, homosexuality has a higher rate of deaths not only due to HIV but also due to suicide and take into account the higher rate of non lethal STDS and the higher rate of drug abuse in the homosexual community, despite the term "gay" which used to mean happy the suicide rate among homosexuals is over twice that of heterosexuals four times as much in teens. When an employer is forced to cover a homosexual couple the costs skyrocket and is passed on through the pool to the cost of every employees coverage.

ed