The Gay Debate: The Bible And Homosexuality

[Lumiere]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezQjNJUSraY&feature=player_embedded#!"]Matthew Vines speaks[/url] on the theological debate regarding the Bible and the role of gay Christians in the church. Delivered at College Hill United Methodist Church in Wichita, Kansas on March 8, 2012.

[PhuturePriest]

*Sighs in exasperation* Not the gay debate again... Seriously, I would prefer talking about modesty over this.

[Lumiere]

Why don't you just watch it. I think he ends the debate.

[Amppax]

Here's the transcript for those that would rather read it. http://www.matthewvines.com/transcript

[r2Dtoo]

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Why don't you just watch it. I think he ends the debate.
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Good luck with that.

[EmilyAnn]

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Why don't you just watch it. I think he ends the debate.
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Nice try. I can see how you got that 'phishy' tag.

[4588686]

I don't know whether the speaker is pro or con homoseuality, but he is setting off my gaydar. So if it is an anti-homosexuality video then that's somewhat funny.

[Vincent Vega]

You ain't a real good reader am ya? Plus, it's a link from the UMC. Context clues, wumpko.
"[color=#444444][font='Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]And so I’m going to ask you: Would you step into my shoes for a moment, and walk with me just one mile, even if it makes you a bit uncomfortable? I am gay. I didn’t choose to be gay."[/size][/font][/color]

Anyway, nothing novel. Looking at historical texts through a modern lens - St. Paul didn't talk about gays in committed relationships because there was no such thing until very recently. No common people married for love in the 1st century AD.

[Maximilianus]

[url="http://catholiclane.com/was-jesus-really-silent-on-same-sex-marriage/"]http://catholiclane.com/was-jesus-really-silent-on-same-sex-marriage/[/url]

[Anomaly]

Isn't Catholic theological thinking on sex that it is supposed to be only within a marriage, between a man and women open to the possibility of life, without contraception. Period.

It is all the same (a sin) if you want to masterbate alone with or without persons of the same or opposite sex, or have intercourse outside of marriage with persons of the same or opposite sex.

I thought that Catholic teaching on acting on homosexual urges is exactly the same as having hetero sex with your boy/girl friend or pleasuring yourself. It's probably a Mortal Sin.

I don't know why Catholic Priests and Bishops would want to give blessings to Gay Unions in San Fran. Wouldn't it be the same as giving a Blessing to a hetero couple living together before marriage. Somehow it's construed as Hateful to not give a Catholic approval of a homosexual relationship, but I don't see people raising hell about Catholic hate towards a hetero couple cohabitating while in a romantic or serious relationship.

[Anomaly]

Isn't Catholic theological thinking on sex that it is supposed to be only within a marriage, between a man and women open to the possibility of life, without contraception. Period.

It is all the same (a sin) if you want to masterbate alone with or without persons of the same or opposite sex, or have intercourse outside of marriage with persons of the same or opposite sex.

I thought that Catholic teaching on acting on homosexual urges is exactly the same as having hetero sex with your boy/girl friend or pleasuring yourself. It's probably a Mortal Sin.

I don't know why Catholic Priests or Bishops would want to give blessings to Gay Unions. Wouldn't it be the same as giving a Blessing to a hetero couple living together before marriage. Somehow it's construed as Hateful to not give a Catholic approval of a homosexual relationship, but I don't see people raising hell about Catholic hate towards a hetero couple cohabitating while in a romantic or serious relationship.

[cmotherofpirl]

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Why don't you just watch it. I think he ends the debate.
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Catholics don't re-interpret the Scriptures to get it to say what they want, so its not a debate.

[mortify]

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I thought that Catholic teaching on acting on homosexual urges is exactly the same as having hetero sex with your boy/girl friend or pleasuring yourself. It's probably a Mortal Sin
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Actually the sins of fornication and sodomy (to use old school terms) are not equal. The latter is classified as an unnatural sin of impurity while the former is a natural sin of impurity. Since sodomy is a corruption of sex by using it contrary to its natural purpose it is considered an attack on nature and therefore an attack on the Author of Nature. It is therefore considered a more grievous sin than fornication.

[dUSt]

Someone tell me I'm a bad Catholic for placing little importance on any issue related to gayness.

I don't understand why some Catholics/Christians talk about the gay marriage issue in the same breath as the abortion issue. In my mind, they are not even close. Should we blame the media? Our bishops? Politics?

Does this annoy anyone else or just me?

To me gay marriage is an immoral act, but so is divorce, and so is infidelity, and so is sex before marriage. All of these things are sins, but why do we only here about gay marriage when people talk about "the church's issues"? I don't get it.

Who cares if people are gay or they get a civil marriage or union. It has nothing to do with the church and the sacrament.

[mortify]

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Who cares if people are gay or they get a civil marriage or union. It has nothing to do with the church and the sacrament.
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I would say it matters because our society is becomming more disordered. Every civilization recognized the vital importance of conforming to Dharma / Tao / Nature, to do otherwise is to ultimately self destruct. Every inch of our Christian civilization that we give up, we sink further down.