A Passage Used As An Excuse For Failed Prophecies

[Paladin D]

There is usually a passage cited in the Bible (forgot where it is), that goes along the lines of [i]"Prophecies may fail, but God never fails"[/i] or something of the sort. Anyways, they use this passage to say that "prophets" aren't perfect, and not all of their prophecies will come to pass. Has anyone heard this argument before?

[HS_Dad]

1 Corinth. 13 excerpts from the RSV: "as for prophecies, they will pass away" ...................
..........."So faith, hope, love abide, these three"

The point being that faith, hope, and love remain... Prophecies have
relevance for only a period of time???? I think the focus is on what
remains. To read too much into the prophecy "passing away" is wretching
this from its context.

[Jake Huether]

[quote name='HS_Dad' date='May 19 2004, 10:25 AM'] 1 Corinth. 13 excerpts from the RSV: "as for prophecies, they will pass away" ...................
..........."So faith, hope, love abide, these three"

The point being that faith, hope, and love remain... Prophecies have
relevance for only a period of time???? I think the focus is on what
remains. To read too much into the prophecy "passing away" is wretching
this from its context. [/quote]
Amen!

[Dave]

That passage as an excuse for failed prophecies has got to be the silliest excuse I've ever heard!

[Paladin D]

It's a difficult passage, considering different translations state it differently. For example, my NAB says...

[b]1 Corinthians 13:8 = Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.[/b]

...so it seems as if (with this translation), that prophecies [b]can[/b] fail. With the KJV, it says...

[b]1 Corinthians 13:8 = Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.[/b]

...so... this is kind of deceiving.

[Theoketos]

In my greek bible it goes something like, "Love never falls, but whether prophecies, they will be abolished; or tongues, the will cease; or knowledge; it will be abolished."

But those are just the words under the greek, which I am just now starting to learn.

[Guest JeffCR07]

While i do not know for sure, I belief that the verse in question is refering rather to the recession of "talents" from the Church, but that love will never fail.

IE the bishops and priests may not be raising the dead, miraculously curing the sick, speaking in tongues, and other things that tha Apostles did, but the Love is still the love of Christ, and that is what is central to the Church, not outward signs.

- Your Brother In Christ, Jeff

[carrdero]

Probably the two most unnecessary factors in organized religion are the two P's. Prophets and profits. I thought organized religion was about fellowship, brother and sisterhood, finding and executing new ways to help others in the community. Exploring love and developing our relationship with GOD and others. This doesn't involve money or psychic vision. GOD didn't create a society of expectators he created a society of doers.

[Quietfire]

It does involve all those things, but you are under the mistaken thought that the Church is wealthy. She isnt. The Vatican is and has been in debt. The Catholic Church is far from rich.
I read somewhere that the Vatican itself has a budget roughly the size of the Archdiocese of Chicago. Thats not alot of money.


Secondly, you cannot know if all these things are being implemented if you arent involved with the Church yourself. So to assume that the Church is all about profit is speaking without showing any proof.
Yes, the cathedrals are large and beautiful, but they require upkeep. Not every city has a St. Patricks like in NYC. Many are small and quite poor. Even still, alot of the money that is required to keep up a parish is often raised outside the Church through donations.

Thirdly, God is about love. For God is love. The Church teaches all these things you spoke about.
Please dont confuse love with money.
We have covered this topic before here.

[carrdero]

Quietfire writes:but you are under the mistaken thought that the Church is wealthy.

That is not true, that statement was never implied by me. I understand how many Catholic structures there are and the cost it takes in maintaining them, and believe me I do not want the responsiblity or the worry in upholding them. But being the owner of a modest home I sure wouldn't mind living in one of them there cathedrals.

From the Dictionary
profit-the gain from a business 2. Any gain resulting in mental or spiritual betterment; advantage; benifit.

If organized religions received so much as one penny when they started out with no money, that is profit.

Now I would assume that there would have to be some type of profit concurring to build maintain and support these places wouldn't you? I don't know about the majority of some people but having mass or any structured prayer meetings I think would be better spent on a beautiful day out in a park or some other open space. I do believe that is how Jesus conducted most of his meetings.

Quietfire writes:Please dont confuse love with money.

Never implied that statement either.