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PadrePioOfPietrelcino

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PadrePioOfPietrelcino

So today I was told that 1) since I am a man and 2) since I oppose abortion 3) as a man I can have no idea what it is like to be pregnant 4) as a man I can have no idea what it is like to be raped and then become pregnant 5) since I have an opinion on abortion that does not allow me to support women killing their babies I am therefore a man who wants to abuse women and put them in the corner or the kitchen and treat them as property.

I am not hwppy about this, although I recognize it as false all around I m just amazed that some people can be so blind about their own positioon that they can not even see the point of the others. When/ how do we move past gender when discussing this topic? arggg...irritated.

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missionseeker

My friend had this happen to him on fb today

He responded that since he is a member of the human race and a potential victim of abortion it is imperative for him to have an opinion. Then he said that saying a man cannot speak against abortion is like saying that a non black or non Jew shouldn't speak on the tragedy of slavery and the holocaust

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PadrePioOfPietrelcino said ...[quote]I m just amazed that some people can be so blind about their own positioon that they can not even see the point of the others.[/quote]


How long have you been on this board......?

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PadrePioOfPietrelcino

[quote name='Luigi' timestamp='1345594318' post='2471578']
PadrePioOfPietrelcino said ...


How long have you been on this board......?
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LOL long enough to know youor your point, but short enough to still be amazed...since 2004?

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FutureCarmeliteClaire
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I can't really give you very good advice because I'm a woman who hasn't had to deal with that. But I was once cussed out on a pro-life fb page, all the words in the sentence were profanities except "Your" and "sweetheart".

Yeah. Lol. Edited by FutureCarmeliteClaire
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I don't like that people treat men that way. We're human beings too.

It also gets under my skin that young unmarried men are always assumed to be a child molestation risk too. What's up with that?

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PhuturePriest

Don't you just love it when us men are discriminated against like that? Women say they are the ones discriminated against, but the tables are turning and I find men are more discriminated against than women. We can't have a say in abortion, the way a child is raised, we rarely get the children during a divorce even if the wife is completely incompetent and will be harmful in the child's upbringing, all men amount to these days are alimony and child molestation risks, as Arfink suggests above. It's simply ridiculous. People get so caught up in women's rights that they completely disregard men's rights. I am all for women's rights, but I would prefer it if we could even our rights out, and this includes the children the women happen to require us in the process to have.

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PadrePioOfPietrelcino

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1345606697' post='2471759']
Spend a week at a 40 Days campaign.
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40 days campaign? This is new to me please explain.

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[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1345602971' post='2471694']
Don't you just love it when us men are discriminated against like that? Women say they are the ones discriminated against, but the tables are turning and I find men are more discriminated against than women. We can't have a say in abortion, the way a child is raised, we rarely get the children during a divorce even if the wife is completely incompetent and will be harmful in the child's upbringing, all men amount to these days are alimony and child molestation risks, as Arfink suggests above. It's simply ridiculous. People get so caught up in women's rights that they completely disregard men's rights. I am all for women's rights, but I would prefer it if we could even our rights out, and this includes the children the women happen to require us in the process to have.
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I always have to laugh when men run their mouths about how "oppressed" they are. Certainly there are cases of discrimination against men (against whites, rich people, and other historically powerful groups) but to put those cases on the same level as the parties who have historically faced unjust discrimination on a massive scale is simply laughable. It's ignorant, which isn't a terrible thing, but I would recommend to educate yourself and perhaps look at the world through "the other" before so hastily levying complaints of misandry.

You want to see rights even out between men and women? That's laudable. But it would first behoove you to recognize how lopsided things are, and then take a crack at the bigger, much more hegemonic problems before tackling these tangential ones that spring up from said core issues.

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The thing is, a lot of pro-choice individuals forget two things. First of all, the baby although grows within the women is still apart of the man, it is his child as well as hers, and he has the right to have a say in regards to the life of his unborn child. Secondly , they forget that pro-life individuals have the same rights as they do to speak their opinion. Also when it comes to some pro-choice people they will make up every excuse in the book to counter a pro-life opinion, when that no longer works, they will hurl insults and accuse everyone of abusing women and taking away their rights. I am a women, I have been sexually assaulted. I regret taking plan-b, but I was a scared college freshman. I was told that it wouldn't cause an aboriton (apparently making a fertized egg unable to attach to the uterus isn't killing life), I only learned this recently. I have used it a couple of times before I found out and found my faith to choose abstinance. But I figured at first after that event back in my freshman year, that I couldn't carry a child that was a part of someone who took away my right to say no to him. But then I thought about it, it wouldn't have been the child's fault that someone had harmed me and I realized that if plan-b didn't work and I conceived anyway, I would carry the child to term, adoption is a valid option for unwanted pregnancies rather than murder. I just wish I had known what planb really was. But the thing is many pro-choice women say I am wrong in my decision to eb pro-life, despite living through one of their conditions they use as a reason why the world should be pro-choice.

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PhuturePriest

[quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1345608158' post='2471773']
I always have to laugh when men run their mouths about how "oppressed" they are. Certainly there are cases of discrimination against men (against whites, rich people, and other historically powerful groups) but to put those cases on the same level as the parties who have historically faced unjust discrimination on a massive scale is simply laughable. It's ignorant, which isn't a terrible thing, but I would recommend to educate yourself and perhaps look at the world through "the other" before so hastily levying complaints of misandry.

You want to see rights even out between men and women? That's laudable. But it would first behoove you to recognize how lopsided things are, and then take a crack at the bigger, much more hegemonic problems before tackling these tangential ones that spring up from said core issues.
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I am very glad you posted. I knew you would be prompted to respond. I would have been disappointed had you not replied. I still stand by what I said, but I would have been disappointed had you not replied all the same.

But in actually replying to your post, how about you take a crack at looking at the world through the others' eyes? I have no doubt it is hard to be a woman in this day and age, when women are ogled and turned into sexual play things. But the [i]same things [/i]are starting to happen to men. Being ogled isn't just reserved for girls now. I will admit it is worse for girls on the grand scale, but it is starting to rise when it comes to the opposite spectrum. Do you know what it is like to know that everybody assumes that since you are a guy all you are after is meeting a girl and having sex? I'm not some animal that listens to his instincts. I am an intelligent, thinking, loving human being who is capable of self-control and in fact has no interest in dating or sex whatsoever. But what is more frustrating is when you tell people these things and they don't believe you, and when they laugh and think it is a joke, and will not listen to you even after you try to explain further. It's not easy being a guy either. I agree that I should look more into this, especially since I love this type of thing, but I do think you are a little biased. Women have been discriminated against for much longer, but that doesn't mean anything. Discrimination is wrong no matter who has been discriminated against the longest.

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Brother Adam

[quote name='PadrePioOfPietrelcino' timestamp='1345608014' post='2471772']


40 days campaign? This is new to me please explain.
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40 Days for Life, witnessing outside an abortion site. I have been spit on, nearly run over,cursed out more times than I can remember, but never by women seeking an abortion. Most are deeply hurting and confused. I have seen a loving smile and kind word lead to many saves.

The "you are not a woman" argument is complete bunk and really common.

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