Has Anyone Actually Been To A Clown Mass?

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1345508721' post='2470947']
I cringe every time I hear happy birthday sung during the announcements or even immediately following the procession.
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This reminds me of a Dave Allen skit where the altar boys are lighting the altar candles while the organ is playing, and then the the choir director all of a sudden leads the congregation in singing "Happy Birthday" to the bishop on the altar. The bishop then proceeded to blow out the candles on the altar. One of his funniest skits ever.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='carmenchristi' timestamp='1345678897' post='2472192']


I don't think the stuff you are talking about is worthy of the term "Catholic sacred music" (of course you employed it loosely in this case)... Maybe "music often used at Mass" could be correct without offending anyone. The sad part is... those of us that actually WANT real Catholic [i]sacred[/i] music meet with a lot of opposition...

As a student of sacred music, I often wonder what is the point of all this study and hard work.... I'll probably end up working in a protestant church
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Fight the good fight. Some of us in the pews support you.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345676061' post='2472168']
Yes, I think we need to re-prioritize where our money is going, and make more room for people skilled in true sacred music.
[/quote] [quote name='carmenchristi' timestamp='1345678897' post='2472192']
I don't think the stuff you are talking about is worthy of the term "Catholic sacred music" (of course you employed it loosely in this case)... Maybe "music often used at Mass" could be correct without offending anyone. The sad part is... those of us that actually WANT real Catholic [i]sacred[/i] music meet with a lot of opposition...

As a student of sacred music, I often wonder what is the point of all this study and hard work.... I'll probably end up working in a protestant church
[/quote] Yes you probably will, unless you do like most catholic musicians and bite the bullet and work for love and pennies.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='carmenchristi' timestamp='1345678897' post='2472192']


I don't think the stuff you are talking about is worthy of the term "Catholic sacred music" (of course you employed it loosely in this case)... Maybe "music often used at Mass" could be correct without offending anyone. The sad part is... those of us that actually WANT real Catholic [i]sacred[/i] music meet with a lot of opposition...

As a student of sacred music, I often wonder what is the point of all this study and hard work.... I'll probably end up working in a protestant church
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Hey that's my degree! I don't have a job.




But I have hope of my own choir, a nice budget, and permission to use whatever music I desire.




I'm only willing to compromise a little.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Is this a serious thread. If so why say clown mass. Ecclesiasticus "sarcasm is not good." And yes i voted on it, and am ashamed of that. This is my amendmant on the matter.

Edited August 23, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='carmenchristi' timestamp='1345678897' post='2472192']
I don't think the stuff you are talking about is worthy of the term "Catholic sacred music" (of course you employed it loosely in this case)... Maybe "music often used at Mass" could be correct without offending anyone.
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Like it or not, that's what it is. That's the state of modern Catholic sacred music: awful.
It's rubbish, yes, but it's still what's used for liturgical music in 99% of the parishes in the US.

[missionseeker]

Doesnt make it sacred music. It "music for the liturgy". There is a difference.


It's still crappy music though. the essence of cow

[cmotherofpirl]

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[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1345689252' post='2472351']
Doesnt make it sacred music. It "music for the liturgy". There is a difference.
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What's the difference then?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1345690920' post='2472367']
What's the difference then?
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You had to ask

[Vincent Vega]

I just find it interesting. Coming from studying sacred music (or a very close field, anyway) at a secular institution, it would appear that I have a much broader definition than some here.
If there is a technical definition that somehow does separate the two, I'd be very interested to know it.

[missionseeker]

Honestly? I forgot. I remember that there are three categories: liturgical music (aka sacred music) because it is only for the liturgy and only uses liturgical texts - propers, sequences, ordinaries, etc. so really it's mostly just chant. Then there's ... Music for the liturgy which is hymns like those by Thomas Aquinas and other music based on biblical texts that are not used in the liturgy. And then I *think* it's music at the liturgy but I'm not sure that's right to be honest. It distinguishes it subtlety yet distinctly because it includes those songs that just don't fit under hymn or liturgical text. Most of today's music would fall under the third and second categories. I suppose that one could argue that Mass settings fall under the first but I have a hard time with that because many of the change the phrasing (repeating certain words and such) and there are specific rubrics for how that's supposed to be done/allowed to be done and I'm not certain that they follow them.