fides' Jack Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I won't comment on specifics here, but Emily may care to. My comment wasn't concerning this thread so much as all the EF vs OF debates that happen here. There are those who could use more care in discussing the matter. As I've said before, Extraordinary-Form-only parishes seem to me to cultivate a general disrespectful attitude toward the Church's norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1345409580' post='2470242'] I must have grow up with great priests then, because I've never really gotten the impression that the priest was "telling a story" to the congregation. [/quote] It definitely depends on the preist and how he was trained I think. At Franciscan I never had that feeling, but when I was younger at my home parish there was definitely that feeling based on tone of voice and body language. It came off as more of a presentation than a prayer. If the canon is inaudible and the priest is ad orientem, then tone of voice and body language are almost non existent. My old spiritual director actually told me that celebrating versus populum he finds it more difficult to stay out of a mindset of "actor on a stage" rather than "alter christus". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 [quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1345486428' post='2470668'] Also, given that the Mass is objectively holy and that at every valid Mass, Christ Himself is present in the Eucharist, one Mass cannot be holier than another. It can be more reverent, even more licit, but they are all holy and sanctifying. [/quote] I agree with this statement. I believe the differences between the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms of the Latin Rite are purely external. One may be somehow extrinsically better than the other, but not in the very heart of the Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 So, glad we all can keep in mind the presence of the True Body and Blood 100% of the time... You all must be so far ahead in your spiritual life than the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1345487897' post='2470680'] You all must be so far ahead in your spiritual life than the rest of us. [/quote] I am glad you recognize my superior holiness such as my heroic virtue of humility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1345486583' post='2470670'] As I've said before, Extraordinary-Form-only parishes seem to me to cultivate a general disrespectful attitude toward the Church's norm. [/quote] Imagine the anger that would be unleashed if a traditionalist stated that " OF only parishes seem to cultivate a general disrespectful attitude toward the traditions and traditional norms of the Church." Edited August 20, 2012 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) [quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1345487897' post='2470680'] So, glad we all can keep in mind the presence of the True Body and Blood 100% of the time... You all must be so far ahead in your spiritual life than the rest of us. [/quote] Well given that this alone is what separates us from any other belief and there's is no reason to be catholic if we don't believe it, I really have no idea why you seem to find it contemptible. Christ is present at the Mass 100% of the time. Edited August 20, 2012 by missionseeker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1345488435' post='2470686'] Imagine the anger that would be unleashed if a traditionalist stated that " OF only parishes seem to cultivate a general disrespectful attitude toward the traditions and traditional norms of the Church." [/quote] That is what being said here pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 [quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1345488969' post='2470691'] That is what being said here pretty much. [/quote] I'm not sure that is actually so. Emotions are beginning to run high. When that happens people are easily offended by something that was not meant to be offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1345488435' post='2470686'] Imagine the anger that would be unleashed if a traditionalist stated that " OF only parishes seem to cultivate a general disrespectful attitude toward the traditions and traditional norms of the Church." [/quote] The anger that would be unleashed? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1345487897' post='2470680'] So, glad we all can keep in mind the presence of the True Body and Blood 100% of the time... You all must be so far ahead in your spiritual life than the rest of us. [/quote] Who the heck is "you all"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I agree with Fr. Z when he says "Save the Liturgy, Save the World." ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1345489915' post='2470697'] The anger that would be unleashed? Seriously? [/quote] Such a gross generalization wouldn't receive mad props. The point is your generalizing is ok and liked. But it would not be ok for a traddy to say something similar about OF parishes. Liking one but objecting to the other invalidates the objection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1345489650' post='2470695'] I'm not sure that is actually so. Emotions are beginning to run high. When that happens people are easily offended by something that was not meant to be offensive. [/quote] Such as the personal observation that EF-only parishes tend to cultivate an attitude of disrespect for the Church's norms? I don't mean to offend - just making an observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1345490621' post='2470704'] Such a gross generalization wouldn't receive mad props. The point is your generalizing is ok and liked. But it would not be ok for a traddy to say something similar about OF parishes. Liking one but objecting to the other invalidates the objection. [/quote] How so? I think that would depend on the validity of the generalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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