mortify Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 This is a video of the Mass of the Faithful as celebrated in the extraordinary form. The priest's voice becomes virtually inaudible as he begins to pray the most sacred part of the liturgy, a practice once used universally to show reverence. As the mass continues, notice how the Priest handles the Host, and how he positions his finger and hands in prayer and holding the chalice [i]after[/i] touching the Body of Christ. These practices are the result of a thousand plus years of meditating on the doctrines revealed to us, and in comparison to what we see today, we see how much we have forgotten. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVu_PcFVg2Y&feature=watch_response[/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I'd love to see the NO celebrated ad orientem with an inaudible canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 [quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1345314063' post='2469751'] I'd love to see the NO celebrated ad orientem with an inaudible canon. [/quote] Why an inaudible canon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonNovi Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1345314063' post='2469751'] I'd love to see the NO celebrated ad orientem with an inaudible canon. [/quote] I don't think that it's allowed in the NO. The ordinary form doesn't have different voices like the extraordinary form. But ad orientem and with a priest making his gestures and handling the host and chalice with the same respect and attention as in the EF, the difference between OF and EF is very small. Edited August 18, 2012 by NonNovi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 (edited) The GIRM doesn't specify the voice of the priest, so there'd be nothing wrong with an inaudible canon. It would actually be keeping with long standing practice of the Latin Rite, so there doesn't need to be specific rubrics to continue saying the canon inaudibly. [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1345324938' post='2469804'] Why an inaudible canon? [/quote] Because it more clearly indicates that the priest is praying to God, not telling a story to the congregation. Both ad orientem and an inaudible canon assist with this. Obviously the way the priest prays can be an indicator that he is praying to God not telling a story to the people though and an inaudible canon isn't necessary for this relationship to be understood. Edited August 18, 2012 by Slappo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 soon. more like 50 years or so. I foresee a merging of the EF and NO forms of the Holy Mass. Taking the best of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1345329303' post='2469838'] soon. more like 50 years or so. I foresee a merging of the EF and NO forms of the Holy Mass. Taking the best of both. [/quote] As long as the traditional Propers are given back their rightful place... That was perhaps the most significant loss of the Pauline Missal, speaking from the perspective or organic development and liturgical patrimony. Edited August 18, 2012 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share Posted August 19, 2012 I think reverential silence might be interpreted as not letting the congregation "actively participat" with the liturgy Anyone else notice how the Priest [i]always[/i] keeps his thumb and index finger together after holding the Eucharist? I think its around [b]7:18.[/b] I always found that practice rather profound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 [quote name='mortify' timestamp='1345354391' post='2470035'] I think reverential silence might be interpreted as not letting the congregation "actively participat" with the liturgy Anyone else notice how the Priest [i]always[/i] keeps his thumb and index finger together after holding the Eucharist? I think its around [b]7:18.[/b] I always found that practice rather profound. [/quote] More than that, what would be the downside of restoring that rubric? Nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share Posted August 19, 2012 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345359494' post='2470054'] More than that, what would be the downside of restoring that rubric? Nothing at all. [/quote] Why not restore the whole thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 [quote name='mortify' timestamp='1345359920' post='2470059'] Why not restore the whole thing... [/quote] Why not indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 [quote name='mortify' timestamp='1345354391' post='2470035']I think reverential silence might be interpreted as not letting the congregation "actively participat" with the liturgy[/quote] explain please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonNovi Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1345403405' post='2470197'] explain please. [/quote] If the priest prays the canon in silence, the people can't exactly tell what is going on (especially if the Mass is celebrated ad orientem) and thus not "participate". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 [quote name='NonNovi' timestamp='1345407568' post='2470233'] If the priest prays the canon in silence, the people can't exactly tell what is going on (especially if the Mass is celebrated ad orientem) and thus not "participate". [/quote] I agree. While there definitely can be loads of participation even with an inaudible canon...it doesn't really help facilitate full, conscious and active participation. [quote][color=#282828][font='Segoe UI', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Because it more clearly indicates that the priest is praying to God, not telling a story to the congregation. Both ad orientem and an inaudible canon assist with this. Obviously the way the priest prays can be an indicator that he is praying to God not telling a story to the people though and an inaudible canon isn't necessary for this relationship to be understood. [/font][/color][/quote] I must have grow up with great priests then, because I've never really gotten the impression that the priest was "telling a story" to the congregation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 [quote name='NonNovi' timestamp='1345407568' post='2470233'] If the priest prays the canon in silence, the people can't exactly tell what is going on (especially if the Mass is celebrated ad orientem) and thus not "participate". [/quote] "That's not what 'participation' is" in 3...2...1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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