Sinners And Saints

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Pax domini bretheren...
I have been thinking upon often after reading some psalms daily and just recently reading most of ecclisiasticus that there are sinners that don't care and have no real mind for change and there are sinners that are saints and desire to change and that understand the serious consequences of sin. My point being most saints grow over time, i will use jesus comment "anyone whom speaks in my name can eventually do no evil." the operative word is eventually. Though i do know some saints have a saint paul momment where it just goes bam and there converted 100% till the day they die. Why some saints have this momment and some don't i don't know. Is what i'm trying to convey right or wrong. Input please.

Onward christian souls.
JESUS iz LORD.
GOD is GOOD , GOD is LOVE, GOD SAVES.

St Benedict. "prefer nothing whatsoever to christ."

Edited August 18, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[BarbTherese]

Wondering where your quote: "anyone whom speaks in my name can eventually do no evil." came from in Scriputre, Tab. The closest I could find is Mark Chapter 9 Verse 39 "For there is no man that doth a miracle in my name, and can soon speak ill of me."

Why some have one journey in life and another an entirely different one is in the Mystery of God - my take St Therese of Lisieux is a saint and Doctor of The Church. Her life to all in her monastery was a good life but a quite ordinary type of Carmelite life - and yet her interior life, her spiritual life, was outstandingly holy. She lived a very ordinary life to all around her, but in a quite extraordinary way and in a manner quite hidden from all around her and this 'hiddenness' was something she actively sought.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

well the bible vs i have said i will have to look for, it's just on memory log,hopefully is words to that effect though. My point is there are many kinds of saints, to be a sinner you have to delibrately not care if you sin or not. To be a saint you need to of course be baptised and believe 1st and foremost but you also must desire to not sin but to be holy sacrifice to the LORD, but this doesn't mean you won't ever fall pray to the wiles of the devil and it's legions, some saints do though have that pauline momment of conversion and never turn back, some grow over many years slowly away from sin,some quickly and some not till there final hour like the good thief on the cross assuming he was baptised and new of jesus' teachings.

it's all there in the holy gospels of our lord jesus christ.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

possibly the translation words the verse you have stated differently but ahoy i have another verse that gets to the core of the matter, in scripture and i can't remember exactly something like anyone whom says i am lord is told to do so by the holy spirit, or possibly it was saint paul and said anyone whom says jesus is lord is prompted by the holy spirit, i don't know the exact scripture but i get the jist. If one truely has the holy spirit in them and preaches in the name of jesus there in a state of grace, whether wrestling with sin sometimes winning or some times loosing but in a state of sorrow for the sin yet a state of hope for salvation in christ. Or perhaps the person has no mortal sin but a bombardment of venials with the same conditions. I don't know exactly how to vocalise what i'm getting at but hopefully you understand. It's like Black sheep aren't goats if the black sheep doesn't wan't to be ablacksheep because it's the heart of the matter, and a grey sheep isn't luke warm because they only goto confession once a year, and a white sheep is never holy than thou because the white sheep is a white sheep. I guess what i'm trying to do is dispell any false evidence appearing real that the devil seeds possibly in some when reading such holy scripture as ecclisiasticus and the psalms where the sinner is clearly kept at a distance from the people of GOD.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

All this has just led me to thinking about some scripture of saint paul when he says (and again words to this effect) "that any sinner among you must turn a cold shoulder to them that they may learn." Is he talking about black sheep or is he talking about people that begin to assume gods mercy or perhaps those that go against assertained doctrine already established by st pauls words he had already spoken to the communities or both. Again he does say at another time to beware of those preaching another doctrine of christ aside from his own. Possibly he re-itterates this in varying letters.