Virgin, Qantas, And Men

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='sixpence' timestamp='1345158181' post='2468852']
yeh this is ridiculous... unless the guy is a known sex offender or something
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The silly part is that in Australia you can be a sex offender and still legally obtain a working with children certificate.

[Ice_nine]

yeah it smells of elderberries when people make negative assumptions based on your gender. Not that I as a woman would be able to empathize with such phenomena. But I imagine it would feel pretty darn awful.

[EmilyAnn]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1345160264' post='2468860']
The silly part is that in Australia you can be a sex offender and still legally obtain a working with children certificate.
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That may be less ridiculous than it sounds. You can be registered as a sex offender for a million reasons, many of which have exactly zero to do with kids. So hypothetically a person could be registered as a sex offender and be no more danger to a child than you or I. I would think (or hope) that the system would eliminate those who had committed offences against children.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

St Benedict. "prefer nothing whatsoever to christ." The worlds always been a bunch of weirdos including myself, where have you all been ? Thats why i became a christian in the hope that GOD may heal my hereditary weirdness thing (our hereditary weirdness thing.)

Onward christian souls.
JESUS iz LORD.

Edited August 17, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[BG45]

[quote name='EmilyAnn' timestamp='1345195676' post='2469059']
That may be less ridiculous than it sounds. You can be registered as a sex offender for a million reasons, many of which have exactly zero to do with kids. So hypothetically a person could be registered as a sex offender and be no more danger to a child than you or I. I would think (or hope) that the system would eliminate those who had committed offences against children.
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Yeah, I'll be the first to admit my lack of familiarity with Australian law (or British law, given Virgin's overall corporate headquarters internationally is in the UK), but in the United States at least you can be a sex offender for things that can be surprising. Statutory Rape is one thing that comes up often; one person is 17, the other is 16 (this is using the most common age of consent in the US, there are others), the parents file rape charges. Or, students' least favorite when it comes up around campus is getting drunk at a bar and then urinating on the street; indecent exposure and all that. Plus those things aren't even touching the issue of sexting and how juveniles have been prosecuted and given the sex offender label for having "child pornography" of their boyfriend/girlfriend.

[tinytherese]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1345204614' post='2469097']
Statutory Rape is one thing that comes up often; one person is 17, the other is 16 (this is using the most common age of consent in the US, there are others), the parents file rape charges.
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How would a 17 year old and a 16 year old be illegal? I was told that there was a two year age gap permitted as in an 18 year old with a 16 year old or a 19 year old and a 17 year old, but both of those kids that you mentioned would be minors.

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='tinytherese' timestamp='1345211398' post='2469137']
How would a 17 year old and a 16 year old be illegal? I was told that there was a two year age gap permitted as in an 18 year old with a 16 year old or a 19 year old and a 17 year old, but both of those kids that you mentioned would be minors.
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Age of consent laws vary from state to state...so you're probably both right.

In the same vein as AnneLine's post, when I was little my family was at my dad's office picking him up to go out to lunch, and my little sister got separated because she didn't take the elevator with us. We realized it pretty quickly, and after retracing our steps we found her talking two three adults, two ladies and a man, who were asking her what her parents names were ("My mommy's name is Mommy and my daddy's name is Mark!" lol) If I had kids, I would hope that ANYONE would go out of their way to help them find me if we got separated in a store or something.

I think part of the problem is the nasty stereotype that men are incapable of being good with kids. A friend of mine had a heck of a time getting babysitting jobs when he was in high school, even though he was FANTASTIC with kids, a devoted Catholic and Red Cross certified.

Annnndddd I could get on my feminist soapbox and talk about how it also helps fight stereotypes for men...but I won't.



[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1345204614' post='2469097']
Plus those things aren't even touching the issue of sexting and how juveniles have been prosecuted and given the sex offender label for having "child pornography" of their boyfriend/girlfriend.
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...or of themselves. I've read news stories of underage girls sexting pictures of themselves, and then turning around and getting charged with child porn. What a world.

[Ice_nine]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1345213526' post='2469154']
Age of consent laws vary from state to state...so you're probably both right.

In the same vein as AnneLine's post, when I was little my family was at my dad's office picking him up to go out to lunch, and my little sister got separated because she didn't take the elevator with us. We realized it pretty quickly, and after retracing our steps we found her talking two three adults, two ladies and a man, who were asking her what her parents names were ("My mommy's name is Mommy and my daddy's name is Mark!" lol) If I had kids, I would hope that ANYONE would go out of their way to help them find me if we got separated in a store or something.

I think part of the problem is the nasty stereotype that men are incapable of being good with kids. A friend of mine had a heck of a time getting babysitting jobs when he was in high school, even though he was FANTASTIC with kids, a devoted Catholic and Red Cross certified.

Annnndddd I could get on my feminist soapbox and talk about how it also helps fight stereotypes for men...but I won't.





...or of themselves. I've read news stories of underage girls sexting pictures of themselves, and then turning around and getting charged with child porn. What a world.
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redic. And then level 3 sex offenders who actually rape people get a tap on the wrist. At least where I'm from that's the case. I just don't understand.

The legal system is way beyond flooped.

[BG45]

What BM said essentially. All age of consent in the US is between 16-18, but [url="http://www.ageofconsent.us/"]not all of the states [/url]allow for an age gap exception or a "I didn't know they weren't X old, they looked older!"

[homeschoolmom]

I hate the perpetual assumption that all males are just waiting for a child to molest.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1345517095' post='2471043']
I hate the perpetual assumption that all males are just waiting for a child to molest.
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I like little girls, but I hate having to be careful not to look at them in case I get spotted with the immediate assumption that I have evil intent. East Timor was great! That paranoia didn't seem to exist. Do the little girls in my avatar look as though I mistreated them?

[BG45]

They sure don't to me!

[homeschoolmom]

My 13 year old son has always, always liked babies/toddlers and loves to play with them. I wish people didn't always connect "I like kids!" with "I use kids!"

[Nihil Obstat]

IMO they can make whatever policies they want, and enforce them however they choose, but I think they'll find out very quickly how normal people, i.e. their paying customers, feel about brainless policies like these.
Here's a better idea; if they as a company are concerned about unaccompanied minors, then make an actual effort instead of a fake useless policy like this, and instead have a person or persons whose job it is to make sure that unaccompanied minor completes his trip safely. A bit more expensive? Perhaps. Way more effective? Absolutely. Plus it's freakin' great customer service from a marketing standpoint.

[EmilyAnn]

I wonder how many men are turned off careers working with children because they know they'll spend their lives being scrutinised and having their intentions second-guessed. We need more good men working with young people, especially boys, to give them good male role models, but we're missing out because of this stupid paranoia.