Eric's Final Confessional

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A bit hard to watch. It resonated with me a bit since I know somebody who is probably going to die of Leukemia in the near future because the treatment is prohibitively expensive. I thought I'd post it.

Edited August 16, 2012 by Hasan

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[Aragon]

Wow...that was intense. I hope he can find some peace in the time he has left.

[Aragon]

Also, Hassan, your friend is going to die because he can't afford treatment? That's crazy. As an Australian I never understood the whole American debate over universal health care. The idea of someone dying because they can't afford treatment in a first world country is crazy.

[PhuturePriest]

I want to give him a hug so much...

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[quote name='Aragon' timestamp='1345088422' post='2468442']
Also, Hassan, your friend is going to die because he can't afford treatment? That's crazy. As an Australian I never understood the whole American debate over universal health care. The idea of someone dying because they can't afford treatment in a first world country is crazy.
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America's healthcare is seriously flawed. But he's Bosnian. He might get it but I don't seem them doing it. I hate to say it. I know his brother pretty well and have been to his home and he seems like a really nice guy and I have friends there working hard to raise the money, but I don't see them doing it. Bosnia is poor and medical treatment in Germany is expensive.

As sad as it is Bosnia has an excuse for not providing universal health care to adults because the country is poor and radically dysfunctional. In America there is absolutely no excuse.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1345088904' post='2468448']
America's healthcare is seriously flawed. But he's Bosnian. He might get it but I don't seem them doing it. I hate to say it. I know his brother pretty well and have been to his home and he seems like a really nice guy and I have friends there working hard to raise the money, but I don't see them doing it. Bosnia is poor and medical treatment in Germany is expensive.

As sad as it is Bosnia has an excuse for not providing universal health care to adults because the country is poor and radically dysfunctional. In America there is absolutely no excuse.
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Isn't there something like Medicaid that can help? I thought Medicaid was specifically for helping poor people that can't afford medical treatment?

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Isn't there something like Medicaid that can help? I thought Medicaid was specifically for helping poor people that can't afford medical treatment?
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Well again, he lives in Bosnia not America. They haven't even raised half the money. Mental math is my strong suit but I think the last time I checked they had raised about 80,000 euros worth of BKMs (Bosian currency) and needed to get about 200,000 euros worth.

I don't know about medicade. Obama care was supposed to expand support but the the latest USSC ruling a lot of poor people in more conservative states will probably be left out. People in America do die because they can't afford healthcare and it's barbaric. No family should ever have to watch a son or brother or mother die because they can;t afford to treat them nor should they have to go into financial ruin to get that care.

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[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I loved watching these. Not in a twisted hollywood sense, i hate hollywood. It wasn't hard for me to watch, this is reality, and no hollywood movie or t.v. sitcom can script. Life, as is printed on his t-shirt. I love erics courage and his humility to do this series.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

i do relate in someways to erics dilema and understand a little bit. I have a mental illness and have had it for 12 or so years and it was in remission to the point it was almost non existant and than the last 3 or so years it has come back. It is very scary when you have little to know control over something like an illness or disease which is prolonged,we must be brave as friends and family and as one whom suffers from the actual illness or disease.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1345089482' post='2468456']
Well again, he lives in Bosnia not America. They haven't even raised half the money. Mental math is my strong suit but I think the last time I checked they had raised about 80,000 euros worth of BKMs (Bosian currency) and needed to get about 200,000 euros worth.

I don't know about medicade. Obama care was supposed to expand support but the the latest USSC ruling a lot of poor people in more conservative states will probably be left out. People in America do die because they can't afford healthcare and it's barbaric. No family should ever have to watch a son or brother or mother die because they can;t afford to treat them nor should they have to go into financial ruin to get that care.
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Right, right, now I remember.

I agree that this is wrong. I think free healthcare is something we should look into, we simply have to figure out how to do it without bankrupting the country and everyone else with it. Even if it is a State to State thing like Romneycare, it is preferable to families dying because they can't afford care. This is where I differ from Republicans and I am a pariah. But if it means I am in the right and am siding with the Bishops, I will proudly differ with a political party.

Edited August 16, 2012 by FuturePriest387

[Amory]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1345088904' post='2468448']
As sad as it is Bosnia has an excuse for not providing universal health care to adults because the country is poor and radically dysfunctional. In America there is absolutely no excuse.
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I'm not so sure about that last bit. I'd say that society as a whole (though not necessarily though government) has an obligation to provide ordinary means of care for the ill, but certainly not to provide extraordinary means. And I think it's pretty clear that expensive cancer treatments would fall under the 'extraordinary means' category.

[Amory]

Caring for the sick is a work of mercy, and often also a moral obligation.

At the same time, however, this doesn't mean that everyone must have the highest quality of treatment. Even in the most Christian cultures, you got what you paid for with regard to medical care. It makes sense that, if you are relying on medical treatment provided by means you did not pay for, you will receive a lower quality of care (which isn't the same as no care or even insufficient care) than the highest-paying customer.

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[quote name='Amory' timestamp='1345105785' post='2468568']
I'm not so sure about that last bit. I'd say that society as a whole (though not necessarily though government) has an obligation to provide ordinary means of care for the ill, but certainly not to provide extraordinary means. And I think it's pretty clear that expensive cancer treatments would fall under the 'extraordinary means' category.
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Then what's the point? I mean the day to day stuff, like yearly check-ups, should probably be treated more like commodities in a more normal market. There are limits to that. I mean people should be encouraged to have regular checkups and the poor should get some help, but generally speaking, from what I've read, most people would be better served if normal, relatively inexpensive, healthcare commodities were treated more like normal products as that would help make these products more affordable and deflate some of the absurd inflation in the healthcare market. The whole point of state health care is so that major illnesses do not financially ravage a family so they are forever in debt and/or reduced to poverty. Saying we'll pay for everything except the expensive stuff is exactly opposite as it will continue to cause inflation on the products people ought to be purchasing for themselves and provide no real benefit since the things that financially devastate a family, like cancer aren't being treated.

[Amory]

Of course, there is the question about whether the inflation in the health care market (or the fact that healthcare can often be unaffordable) is such a bad thing. Clearly, if the physicians and medical professionals are getting a larger paycheck due to it, they may be less inclined to think so.

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