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i thought this was kind of funny:
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i've already heard slogans like:

Replace & Repair
Rock & Restore
Remove & Replace

I will admit to looking forward to a debate between Joe "Gaffe" Biden and Paul Ryan.

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Michelle Malkin's column:
http://michellemalkin.com/2012/08/11/this-is-what-forward-really-looks-like/

Yes. [i]PHEW[/i].

After a week marred by a [url="http://twitchy.com/2012/08/09/conservatives-want-andrea-saul-fired-suggest-replacements/"]not-ready-for-prime-time[/url] staffer who had movement conservatives questioning Team Romney’s competence, sanity, and willingness to fight the brass-knuckles White House and Chicago thug operatives, the Romney campaign made the right decision.

And the [i]Right[/i] decision.

Fittingly, the motto of the USS Wisconsin on which Romney/Ryan made their announcement is “Forward for Freedom.”

Paul Ryan is fresh, young, energetic, smart, courageous, and ready for prime time.

Paul Ryan is a policy wonk AND a front-line warrior whose budget and long-term entitlement reforms have the entire Dem-Soros-lapdog media machine [url="http://twitchy.com/2012/08/11/conservatives-to-ryan-budget-bashers-go-ahead-make-our-day/"]unhinged[/url].

Paul Ryan is ready to [url="http://michellemalkin.com/2012/07/21/paul-ryan-cbs-scoffs/"]fight false media narratives[/url].

Paul Ryan is [url="http://michellemalkin.com/2012/04/04/obama-budget-speech/"]battle-tested against the White House.[/url]

Paul Ryan [url="http://michellemalkin.com/2011/05/25/mediscare-and-the-ny-26-loss/"]won’t cut and run when the going gets tough[/url].

The Dems and their media water-carriers are invoking the the NY-26 loss as evidence that Ryan is a drain on GOP electoral prospects. They’ve misread those results completely and the Dems’ blind hubris and demagoguing overreach will be [i]their[/i] downfall. [url="http://michellemalkin.com/2011/05/25/mediscare-and-the-ny-26-loss/"]Reminder[/url]:
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I don't know, I always kind of liked Paul Ryan. On a personal level, not necessarily his ideas.

He definitely believes in ideas, which is the opposite of Romney who just believes he should be president and that's it. His biggest plus in by book is that he was willing to go after Social Security and Medicare, which HAVE to be gone after if we are going to fix this mess.

We also have to close tax loopholes to get out of this mess, which I'm sure he wouldn't agree with, but still... no other politician to my knowledge has been willing to attack the sacred cows except the people who actually wrote the nonpartisan debt commission report.

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[quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1344703305' post='2466104'].. no other politician to my knowledge has been willing to attack the sacred cows except the people who actually wrote the nonpartisan debt commission report.
[/quote]politicians are all hoping the hippo will rot away so they can avoid the obvious messy task of chopping it away.

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**Preface: My neighbor is blaring music upstairs and it's very distracting**

The Chicks on the Right article failed to convince me Ryan is viable in wooing independents and moderates because it told me nothing I didn't know about a man who has been in Washington for almost literally half his life. Though it's a true shame we all know Biden as "Joe 'Gaffe' Biden", he was a pretty decent politician prior to becoming VP, not in the views I agree with, but in that he almost never made the gaffes he's famous for. Also we have to keep in mind that the DNC has yet to happen, he can replace Biden easily now that Romney has (rather foolishly for not waiting) committed to a person; say someone popular perhaps, like Secretary of State Hillary Clinton?

A few more things that make me think he's a poor choice when the purpose of a VP pick on the campaign is to woo people you already don't have sewn up:

1) He accused Generals of lying before Congress because he disagreed with them. This isn't a case of stretching things either, he said[url="http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/paul-ryan-accuses-generals-of-budget-dishonesty-20120329"] "We don't think the generals are giving us their true advice".[/url] He later somewhat apologized, [url="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/paul-ryan-says-he-misspoke-about-testimony-of-generals/"]claiming that he mis-spoke.[/url]

2) He said he [url="http://www.weeklystandard.com/print/blogs/paul-ryan-romneycare-not-dissimilar-obamacare_552746.html"]doesn't see much difference between Romneycare and Obamacare.[/url] The link, from a very conservative paper, also continues to discuss how he feels it's a death spiral, will bring about rationing, and how he doesn't want to run for President, that he can do the most by staying in Congress.

3) On the note of Romneycare, he once told CSPAN it had already lead to rationing and the Massachusetts system "bursting at the seams" [url="http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/paul-ryan-dinged-romneycare-in-2010-im-not-a-fa"]in this C-SPAN video.[/url]

4) His "Path to Prosperity" plan includes [url="http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2012/03/ryan_big_oil.html"]keeping $40 billion subsidies to big oil[/url]. This is pretty standard Republican (and Democrat) business, depending on what lobbyist is handing you a check today. Except for the fact he [url="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/17/paul-ryan-s-shrewd-budget-payday-congressman-could-benefit-from-tax-breaks-he-proposes.html"]owns stakes in four of the companies that will benefit from said continued tax breaks.[/url]

5) Student voters probably won't be pleased that he wants to [url="http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/03/21/higher-education-proposals-2013-republican-budget"]drastically tighten the eligibility for Pell grants according to his last budget.[/url]

6) The Economic Policy Institute estimates that Ryan's budget plan, the aforementioned "Path to Prosperity" [url="http://www.epi.org/blog/paul-ryan-budget-discretionary-cuts-cost-jobs/"]would result in 4.1 million lost jobs by the end of 2014.[/url] Even if not true, that's one BIG firing point that the SuperPACs and Obama could use alongside their ads against Romney over outsourcing claims.

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We really will balance the budget in 12 years. We totally won't forget about that, by then. Paul Ryan is a joke. Another big government crapbag.

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Paul Ryan voted with the Bush administration's government expanding agenda 94% of the time. He is no fiscal conservative. His budget does not cut anything of substance, and the stuff it does cut is out of proportion to what needs to be cut in a way that's just going to push away independent voters when Obama attacks it. Same old same old, I am not impressed.

As a delegate at the Republican National Convention, I will be voting against him for Vice President. I hope we can successfully put up a different candidate to be voted on and throw a wrench in the usual parade of an easy voice vote for the VP pick. Of course, I'm also voting against Romney himself at the Convention, but maybe we can have more luck on the VP pick (not likely but there's always hope!)

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[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1344688777' post='2465991']
Really? "Let's stop spending money that you haven't even earned yet (which turns you until perpetual slaves of the state)" has no appeal to young people?
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No. "Let's sell off the country to the financial sector" (ergh, I mean, SECURING FINANCIAL PROSPERITY FOR OUR CHILDREN BY LIVING WITHIN OUR MEANS [size=1]which mean reducing social services while desimating state budgests while selling the country off to finance[size=4])[/size][/size] has little appeal to young people.

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[quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1344703305' post='2466104']
I don't know, I always kind of liked Paul Ryan. On a personal level, not necessarily his ideas.

He definitely believes in ideas, which is the opposite of Romney who just believes he should be president and that's it. His biggest plus in by book is that he was willing to go after Social Security and Medicare, which HAVE to be gone after if we are going to fix this mess. [/QUOTE]

Social Security does not have to be 'gone after'. Medicare does need serious revision. But dismantling it and replacing it with coupons isn't going to help. The free market does not work in health care. While misguided government intervention can exacerbate problems in the health care markets the fundamental problem of our current health care mess is that we have this not merely baseless, but outright refuted, idea that the health market functions like the automarket or the agricultural market.

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