Problem?

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1344523806' post='2465004']
And of course, if you're feeling bold and ever looking to try Palestrina, de Lasso, Tallis, Byrd, etc., all of that stuff is availble in the public domain. I recommend [url="http://www.cpdl.org/"]here[/url] or [url="http://imslp.org/wiki/"]here[/url].
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I hope you feel bold. [swoon]

[the171]

[quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1344527992' post='2465029']

I hope you feel bold. [swoon]
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I would love to be bold. But that would require my schola to know music. I don't even have a schola yet. I have a list of people who can sing. 1/4 know how to read.

[the171]

This is going to be difficult but God provides. And I'm just going to follow my bishop's orders. He has already said no more piano, guitars, or drums. Can I say how much I love this bishop! A lot!!

[Slappo]

[quote name='the171' timestamp='1344554057' post='2465235']
This is going to be difficult but God provides. And I'm just going to follow my bishop's orders. He has already said no more piano, guitars, or drums. Can I say how much I love this bishop! A lot!!
[/quote]

That is a rockin Bishop.


Rockin outside of mass though since rock is not liturgical

[the171]

He plays the organ. And piano. He loves Chopin. I love my bishop.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1344523585' post='2465002']
I'll echo the Vat II hymnal - scary name, but I was really impressed the first time I saw it. The Adoremus hymnal is a good one, too. Those two are easily the best Catholic hymnals, and they both have a lot of chant in them.
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St. Michael's Hymnal is pretty spiffy, too.

[quote name='the171' timestamp='1344553985' post='2465232']
I would love to be bold. But that would require my schola to know music. I don't even have a schola yet. I have a list of people who can sing. 1/4 know how to read.
[/quote]

IT IS POSSIBLE!!!! I was assistant director of choir of about 15ish? people. 7 or 8 of whom were children under 10 and the rest of whom only about 3 knew how to read music. We taught them chants AND sang polyphony by Byrd, Victoria, Mozart, Josquin, and others. SO DO NOT THINK THAT YOU ARE LIMITED!!!!! In fact, think of it as giving them the opportunity to do so something that sacred. It will take a lot of work, but once you get over the initial AAAAAAAAAHHHHHness of it and start hearing them SING, you will feel so blessed.


That said, I would recommend checking out this site:

[url="http://musicasacra.com/ward-method-instruction/"]http://musicasacra.com/ward-method-instruction/[/url]

If I remember right, she was a financial and scholastic supporter of the early Solesmes monks studying the ancient manuscripts. She was also a music teacher and developed a system for teaching chant to children. I've also found this helpful when teaching adults who are not familiar with it. There's sometimes strange excerises, but her insights into how people learn are quite helpful. Of course, HER ideal was to form this method and implement it into Catholic schools so that all Catholic school children were familiar with chants, chant notation, Western notation and other sacred music by the time they were 12 or so. Very interesting concepts, very useful studies. I haven't read the links on that site completely, but I have read some of her writings and know that they, too are there somewhere.


One of the most helpful things that someone said to me was after my old choir director -who is directing based on his limited knowledge of music, but vast love of liturgy and tradition- asked me to come and help them in their practices after Mass. I'm actually quite nervous about directing. I love it, but musicianship is what I struggled with (give me theory, I'm good. Make me sight read... Not so good.) Also I'm a good thirty of 40 years younger than quite a few of the members and peers to the rest. The couple of times that I stopped them and said 'if you do it this way, it makes this happen, which produces a better sound" or "you guys are breathing in this place which is causing you to lag so either do this and this" and I'd make them re-sing four or five times but I would do so (they told me) "apologetically". SO she told me that because I was the person who knew the stuff, I was the person with authority, and people will pay attention until you give them a reason not to. and not fear that authority just because you're younger or anxious or whatever. Heck, in your case the bishop gave you that authority. So own it and do great things with it.


Do know, that there is a world of sacred musicians (haha that term sounds weird) who LOVE to help out younger, enthusiastic musicians. I can personally vouch for some of them and could probably put you in contact with some REALLY good resources in the people department. Don't hesitate to ask. They will be overjoyed to hear what your bishop has done and help in any capacity that they can.

Wow this is so long. I hope it makes sense and isn't tl;dr lol.


[quote name='the171' timestamp='1344554057' post='2465235']
This is going to be difficult but God provides. And I'm just going to follow my bishop's orders. He has already said no more piano, guitars, or drums. Can I say how much I love this bishop! A lot!!
[/quote]

May ask which diocese? I've spent the few weeks in the Mobile, Birmingham, Lincoln, Grand Island, Denver, Amarillo, Pueblo and St. Louis (and all the ones inbetween) Dioceses. It's amazing to me the difference between them. Saddening most of the time.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='the171' timestamp='1344487429' post='2464907']
We use OCP... I hate OCP... Spirit & Song makes me vomit.
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[quote name='the171' timestamp='1344554057' post='2465235']
This is going to be difficult but God provides. And I'm just going to follow my bishop's orders. [b]He has already said no more piano, guitars, or drums. Can I say how much I love this bishop! A lot!![/b]
[/quote]

Archdiocesan Youth Conference bonfire, anyone?

[the171]

[quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1344564894' post='2465335']


St. Michael's Hymnal is pretty spiffy, too.



IT IS POSSIBLE!!!! I was assistant director of choir of about 15ish? people. 7 or 8 of whom were children under 10 and the rest of whom only about 3 knew how to read music. We taught them chants AND sang polyphony by Byrd, Victoria, Mozart, Josquin, and others. SO DO NOT THINK THAT YOU ARE LIMITED!!!!! In fact, think of it as giving them the opportunity to do so something that sacred. It will take a lot of work, but once you get over the initial AAAAAAAAAHHHHHness of it and start hearing them SING, you will feel so blessed.


That said, I would recommend checking out this site:

[url="http://musicasacra.com/ward-method-instruction/"]http://musicasacra.com/ward-method-instruction/[/url]

If I remember right, she was a financial and scholastic supporter of the early Solesmes monks studying the ancient manuscripts. She was also a music teacher and developed a system for teaching chant to children. I've also found this helpful when teaching adults who are not familiar with it. There's sometimes strange excerises, but her insights into how people learn are quite helpful. Of course, HER ideal was to form this method and implement it into Catholic schools so that all Catholic school children were familiar with chants, chant notation, Western notation and other sacred music by the time they were 12 or so. Very interesting concepts, very useful studies. I haven't read the links on that site completely, but I have read some of her writings and know that they, too are there somewhere.


One of the most helpful things that someone said to me was after my old choir director -who is directing based on his limited knowledge of music, but vast love of liturgy and tradition- asked me to come and help them in their practices after Mass. I'm actually quite nervous about directing. I love it, but musicianship is what I struggled with (give me theory, I'm good. Make me sight read... Not so good.) Also I'm a good thirty of 40 years younger than quite a few of the members and peers to the rest. The couple of times that I stopped them and said 'if you do it this way, it makes this happen, which produces a better sound" or "you guys are breathing in this place which is causing you to lag so either do this and this" and I'd make them re-sing four or five times but I would do so (they told me) "apologetically". SO she told me that because I was the person who knew the stuff, I was the person with authority, and people will pay attention until you give them a reason not to. and not fear that authority just because you're younger or anxious or whatever. Heck, in your case the bishop gave you that authority. So own it and do great things with it.


Do know, that there is a world of sacred musicians (haha that term sounds weird) who LOVE to help out younger, enthusiastic musicians. I can personally vouch for some of them and could probably put you in contact with some REALLY good resources in the people department. Don't hesitate to ask. They will be overjoyed to hear what your bishop has done and help in any capacity that they can.

Wow this is so long. I hope it makes sense and isn't tl;dr lol.




May ask which diocese? I've spent the few weeks in the Mobile, Birmingham, Lincoln, Grand Island, Denver, Amarillo, Pueblo and St. Louis (and all the ones inbetween) Dioceses. It's amazing to me the difference between them. Saddening most of the time.
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The small southern Diocese of Lake Charles, La!

[missionseeker]

I will be in Louisianna next week? next month? Idk. some point soonish. Idk what part but if we're anywhere near maybe we can meet and have lunch or something.

[the171]

[quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1344565824' post='2465347']
I will be in Louisianna next week? next month? Idk. some point soonish. Idk what part but if we're anywhere near maybe we can meet and have lunch or something.
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That'd be amesome. I'll be in meetings and at school most of next week. I'll be free Monday, Tuesday, Saturday afternoon.