Lcwr Conference

[Basilisa Marie]

Okay, so....

Barbara Marx Hubbard is a futurist. She was born a Jewish Agnostic, but I don't know what her religion is now. She's currently really into the idea of rediscovering mystery and "enchantment" in the world (cosmos is the word she uses - so it encompasses all of creation). The idea that we live in a disenchanted world is how a lot of people describe the results of modernism and the enlightenment. Finding enchantment in the world is what we Christians do all the time - we see how God works in and through His creation and we experience Sacraments and moments of grace in our lives.

She's using a TON of specific jargon, but I think she starts by saying that we're entering into a new era of hope and new life, midst all the terrible things that have happened in the world. She's talking about what it's like to participate as an individual that feels really connected with the community, a community that extends to all of Creation. The whole universe is part of a system that makes sense. When we learn about the world, that knowledge can contribute toward establishing a society that is based on love and peace. No human experience is isolated - there's a line of continuity that can be drawn throughout history to now. And this continuity will extend to the future, even if that future means that our bodies evolve to a point that we would not recognize today. With modern space exploration we've been able to see that we're part of a larger cosmos, which forces us to reexamine how we view not only our place in the universe but our relationship with our own environment. Evolution doesn't have to happen just by chance - she says that our choices can impact where we are "going."

The problem is that her talk isn't properly contextualized. I think that's what makes it so dangerous. I don't think anything she's saying is all [i]that [/i]heretical, it's just that it needs to be put into the framework of Christian Eschatology. She doesn't get her ideas from Catholic sources, but her ideas can be a springboard for a Catholic, again with the proper context. The idea that we are co-creators with God, that there's something after death, that it's good to learn about our world and use that knowledge to promote a society that more and more reflects the Kingdom of God. The idea that what we want after death is what happens is icky, but the idea that we want something more than reincarnation, turning to dust, or harps on a cloud is okay. She talks about being able to hope for a better future ("see it") and that vision being able to help us get through the "crisis" - that's like having our eyes fixed on Heaven and Christ's promise of the Kingdom helping us deal with all the cruddy stuff in our lives. The idea of the Earth as one body is like the Body of Christ. Universal Consciousness isn't about being all knowing, it's about viewing ourselves from the perspective of our place in the universe. She then talks about how even in nature, evolution favors positive relationships between different organisms (where she talks about "feeding" the enemy instead of attacking) - so in a way the "love your enemies" and the golden rule are not just things Christ told us to do, but they're even reflected in the micro and macro systems of all of creation.


TLDR: She's very much not a Christian, but her ideas can have a lot of meaning for a Christian if a Christian is careful to put them in a proper Christological and Eschatological context. Otherwise, yeah, sure, her ideas can get someone going off in a dangerous direction. So I REALLY hope that the LCWR is going to provide some SOLID context for whatever she's talking about as their keynote speaker.

[FutureCarmeliteClaire]

Not watching the video. I'm in a good mood right now.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Maximilianus' timestamp='1344468718' post='2464721']
Yeah, she's not a nun, from a brief look on her website I get that is that she is an authority on something called Conscious Evolution and futurism.
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[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1344468534' post='2464719']
I don't think she ever was a nun, just the keynote speaker for the event. I really worry that she is mentally ill.
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Oh, okay... good... It's hard to tell-- she dresses like a non-habited religious... which, I guess, could be said of Hillary Clinton, too...

[quote name='HopefulBride' timestamp='1344471897' post='2464739']
[size=5]WHAT is she TALKING ABOUT??!!![/size] English is not my first language so I couldn't follow.

Can someone please interpret cause I no get it..

I stopped watching because I got dizzy trying to make sense of all the rambling.
[/quote]

English is my first language and she didn't make one word of sense to me, either.

[cmaD2006]

[quote name='HopefulBride' timestamp='1344471897' post='2464739']
[size=5]WHAT is she TALKING ABOUT??!!![/size] English is not my first language so I couldn't follow.

Can someone please interpret cause I no get it..

I stopped watching because I got dizzy trying to make sense of all the rambling.
[/quote]

I haven't listened to it, but I'm going to attempt a translation in Spanish nonetheless. It may help:

" Basura basura basura, porqueria, nada, bobadas.
Mas basura, basura, otra bobada, porqueria, nada."

Oh I forgot:

"Idiotez, nada que hace sentido comun, palabras para comer el celebro. Cualquier telenovela tiene mejor teologia."

[BG45]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1344467542' post='2464710']
Okay... if she's 81, it's probably safe to guess that she became a nun by or during the 50s. I wonder what the young novice of the 50s would say to the [mod] self edit... too mean.... woman [/mod] of 2012....
[/quote]

Did you warn yourself too?

[Luigi]

I like to use "stupid" as a verb. And let me tell you, Barbara Marx Hubbard stupids like a champ.

[cmaD2006]

[quote name='Luigi' timestamp='1344487017' post='2464893']
I like to use "stupid" as a verb. And let me tell you, Barbara Marx Hubbard stupids like a champ.
[/quote]

You misspelled "stooooooopid"

[Lisa]

Maybe she's better live.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1344486645' post='2464889']
Did you warn yourself too?
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Of course. I said, "HSM... stop being so mean." Then I slapped myself on the knuckles with a wooden ruler.

[BG45]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1344510579' post='2464955']
Of course. I said, "HSM... stop being so mean." Then I slapped myself on the knuckles with a wooden ruler.
[/quote]

I literally laughed out loud. Today I Learned: HSM believes in corporal punishment.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1344480213' post='2464806']
Okay, so....

Barbara Marx Hubbard is a futurist. She was born a Jewish Agnostic, but I don't know what her religion is now. She's currently really into the idea of rediscovering mystery and "enchantment" in the world (cosmos is the word she uses - so it encompasses all of creation). The idea that we live in a disenchanted world is how a lot of people describe the results of modernism and the enlightenment. Finding enchantment in the world is what we Christians do all the time - we see how God works in and through His creation and we experience Sacraments and moments of grace in our lives.

She's using a TON of specific jargon, but I think she starts by saying that we're entering into a new era of hope and new life, midst all the terrible things that have happened in the world. She's talking about what it's like to participate as an individual that feels really connected with the community, a community that extends to all of Creation. The whole universe is part of a system that makes sense. When we learn about the world, that knowledge can contribute toward establishing a society that is based on love and peace. No human experience is isolated - there's a line of continuity that can be drawn throughout history to now. And this continuity will extend to the future, even if that future means that our bodies evolve to a point that we would not recognize today. With modern space exploration we've been able to see that we're part of a larger cosmos, which forces us to reexamine how we view not only our place in the universe but our relationship with our own environment. Evolution doesn't have to happen just by chance - she says that our choices can impact where we are "going."

The problem is that her talk isn't properly contextualized. I think that's what makes it so dangerous. I don't think anything she's saying is all [i]that [/i]heretical, it's just that it needs to be put into the framework of Christian Eschatology. She doesn't get her ideas from Catholic sources, but her ideas can be a springboard for a Catholic, again with the proper context. The idea that we are co-creators with God, that there's something after death, that it's good to learn about our world and use that knowledge to promote a society that more and more reflects the Kingdom of God. The idea that what we want after death is what happens is icky, but the idea that we want something more than reincarnation, turning to dust, or harps on a cloud is okay. She talks about being able to hope for a better future ("see it") and that vision being able to help us get through the "crisis" - that's like having our eyes fixed on Heaven and Christ's promise of the Kingdom helping us deal with all the cruddy stuff in our lives. The idea of the Earth as one body is like the Body of Christ. Universal Consciousness isn't about being all knowing, it's about viewing ourselves from the perspective of our place in the universe. She then talks about how even in nature, evolution favors positive relationships between different organisms (where she talks about "feeding" the enemy instead of attacking) - so in a way the "love your enemies" and the golden rule are not just things Christ told us to do, but they're even reflected in the micro and macro systems of all of creation.


TLDR: She's very much not a Christian, but her ideas can have a lot of meaning for a Christian if a Christian is careful to put them in a proper Christological and Eschatological context. Otherwise, yeah, sure, her ideas can get someone going off in a dangerous direction. So I REALLY hope that the LCWR is going to provide some SOLID context for whatever she's talking about as their keynote speaker.
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She sounds new agey and uses new age language. I would consider that to be VERY dangerous

[sixpence]

this what I heard :: woah, man, you gotta be reborn, into the universe

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='sixpence' timestamp='1344528725' post='2465034']
this what I heard :: woah, man, you gotta be reborn, into the universe
[/quote]

I think I heard her say, "Double rainbow all the way!" but I might be mistaken.

[Jaime]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1344528901' post='2465035']
I think I heard her say, "Double rainbow all the way!" but I might be mistaken.
[/quote]

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!?!?!?

[Clare~Therese]

I only watched 2 minutes and then I stopped.
I was thinking, "What is this I don't even--?"