A Question For Separated Brethren

[Mary's Knight, La]

ok first to LJ's last post then to something I noticed on the last page

[quote]  so can leaving the interpretation of the Bible in the hands of a group of men you don't know and probly never will meet...isn't it?
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hopin i tagged that right, anyways... You would be right LJ *but* when we leave it to the "group of men" we are actually entrusting it to the Holy Spirit who acts through these men and that can never be subject to error lest we accuse God's own spirit of fallacy

second thing

I noticed a post by a non-catholic was edited for language yet later posts by catholics who were referring to his choice of wording were not edited yet they included the words that were edited out. My question is why were these not edited also? If we're being accused of unfairness (which has happened) let's not actually be unfair. just my $0.002


thirdly though this has been lately dropped dealing with the intercession of the saints, if the souls of martyrs can cry out to God for the vengeance of their blood (see Rev) then why can't those who have gone to heaven also cry out for the more important task of helping those not there yet get there. giving the devil a foothold in the world through sin made it's destruction, God's vengeance, inevitable but the whole reason the world was created was so we could be in heaven. also there's the quote He who hears you hears Me. thus the church and especially the church purified has the name of Jesus thus praying to the saints is praying to Jesus because all they do is reflect as much of Jesus as their created capacity allows. They are with Christ yet they are also a part of us, the church. Our requests become their requests also except when that request is not in line with the love and therefore the plan of God.

Edited May 26, 2004 by Mary's Knight, La

[theculturewarrior]

[quote]so can leaving the interpretation of the Bible in the hands of a group of men you don't know and probly never will meet...isn't it?
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My first instinct was to say, "Not if they are Christ's apostles." But my next instinct was to say, I'm tired of this thread. Thank you, LJ and Mulls for your charitable and concise input.

[the lumberjack]

Whatever I can do to help you understand that we are not the enemy...

we both strive for the same goal, or at least we should be...God bless you CW.

and Mary's Knight...

I wasn't going to say anything about the other's not being editted... I would have felt...evil...hehehehe

[quote]thirdly though this has been lately dropped dealing with the intercession of the saints, if the souls of martyrs can cry out to God for the vengeance of their blood (see Rev) then why can't those who have gone to heaven also cry out for the more important task of helping those not there yet get there. giving the devil a foothold in the world through sin made it's destruction, God's vengeance, inevitable but the whole reason the world was created was so we could be in heaven. also there's the quote He who hears you hears Me. thus the church and especially the church purified has the name of Jesus thus praying to the saints is praying to Jesus because all they do is reflect as much of Jesus as their created capacity allows. They are with Christ yet they are also a part of us, the church. Our requests become their requests also except when that request is not in line with the love and therefore the plan of God.[/quote]

ok, here's the thing...when do we get our glorified bodies? is it not when the Lord comes to resurrect us? and if so, it is only our soul that is with God, right? and how do you know that a soul on the other side of eternity can hear anything? and if we DO have our glorified bodies after we get to heaven, then what need is there for the resurrection?

the bible does not say anything of the souls under the altar crying out for the saints on the earth...like you said, it talks of them calling out for justice.

and I don't understand how you apply "He who hears you hears me" when it comes to the saints on the other side of eternity hearing US...pls clarify.

thanks

God bless.

[Katholikos]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 26 2004, 01:31 PM']
so while, yes it CAN be fallible, (and is SO often proven to be, when looking at any of the cults out there, Mormons, JW's...etc) so can leaving the interpretation of the Bible in the hands of a group of men you don't know and probly never will meet...isn't it?

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God left the Scriptures in the hands of the Church. Now you're afraid to trust the Church to interpret them?

The Holy Spirit inspired the Church to write the NT, preserve it, collect it, canonize it, and teach it to her children. The New Testament was written from the heart of the living, teaching Church. That is its true context. It can only be interpreted correctly within that same context. The NT reflects the teachings of the Church, not the other way around.

Christ founded the Church.
The Church wrote the New Testament.
The Church speaks for Christ.
I believe the New Testament is the inspired Word of God because the Church founded by Christ tells me it is.

Protestants took the Bible out of the Church. They read it as if it fell out heaven.
It didn't. The Church knows the correct meaning of the words because she wrote them.

The New Testament is [i][b]not[/b][/i] an instruction book in Christianity. It is a record of the faith experience of the New Israel -- the Catholic Church -- during the first 100 years or so of her existence. Jesus founded the Church to teach Christianity and to write the NT Scriptures for the salvation of the world. To understand the NT we must know what the sacred writers meant to convey. The Church alone knows what the words mean -- because she wrote them.

The NT was written to members of the Catholic church by members of the Catholic Church. It belongs to the Church. If you want to know what it means, ask the Church.

JMJ Likos

Edited May 26, 2004 by Katholikos

[mulls]

[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='May 26 2004, 04:37 PM']
But my next instinct was to say, I'm tired of this thread. Thank you, LJ and Mulls for your charitable and concise input. [/quote]
you got it brotha man, nice chatting with ya.


you draw any interesting conclusions?

[theculturewarrior]

Just that minds like to wander.

To quote Millhouse..."Not only am I not learning...I'm forgetting stuff I used to know!"

[the lumberjack]

[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='May 26 2004, 04:46 PM'] Just that minds like to wander.

To quote Millhouse..."Not only am I not learning...I'm forgetting stuff I used to know!" [/quote]
hahahaha...God bless you CW.

press on for Christ.

peace...or pax as you say here.

and PAZ! as we say in Mexico.