Gay Activist Smacks Down Church

[Lil Red]

don't have time to listen to the whole thing, but i liked the part you said to listen to.

[4588686]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1342732914' post='2457114']
don't have time to listen to the whole thing, but i liked the part you said to listen to.
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I originally posted it because I thought you all would appreciate his fierce condemnation of modernist church architecture but I listened through after the OP and it actually is a really sweet meditation on how his mother's death impacted his complicated relationship with his Catholicism.

[Vincent Vega]

Mother sounds like she was a bit of a dolt.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1342759649' post='2457214']
Mother sounds like she was a bit of a dolt.
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Yeah, I skipped ahead to the part Hassy suggested and I was thinking "Yup"... then he got to the parts where he said how his mom broke from Church teaching (even though he called her a "good American Catholic") and I was thinking "Yeah.... not so good, buddy." But I stopped listening there. I may have gotten a little more out of it if I'd kept going.

[4588686]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1342795314' post='2457274']
Yeah, I skipped ahead to the part Hassy suggested and I was thinking "Yup"... then he got to the parts where he said how his mom broke from Church teaching (even though he called her a "good American Catholic") and I was thinking "Yeah.... not so good, buddy." But I stopped listening there. I may have gotten a little more out of it if I'd kept going.
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I think the 'good American Catholic' comment was a joke about the tendency of American Catholics to have a lackadaisical attitude towards the Vatican's dictates.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1342795772' post='2457275']
I think the 'good American Catholic' comment was a joke about the tendency of American Catholics to have a lackadaisical attitude towards the Vatican's dictates.
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That's definitely a strong possibility.. I just got tired of him listing all the stuff she dissented on so I turned it off.

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1342796852' post='2457277']
That's definitely a strong possibility.. I just got tired of him listing all the stuff she dissented on so I turned it off.
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I understand why it can be frustrating to listen to someone talk about everything they don't like, but when you listen all the way through, I really believe there's something valuable to be heard. I have a love for that man I would not have had if I had not listened to him -- even the parts I did't like or understand.

[fides' Jack]

[quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1342799407' post='2457283']
I understand why it can be frustrating to listen to someone talk about everything they don't like, but when you listen all the way through, I really believe there's something valuable to be heard. I have a love for that man I would not have had if I had not listened to him -- even the parts I did't like or understand.
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Maybe you should marry him.


[size=1]Sorry - couldn't resist the 2nd grade smart alec inside me[/size]

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1342811400' post='2457324']
Maybe you should marry him.


[size=1]Sorry - couldn't resist the 2nd grade smart alec inside me[/size]
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[Oremoose]

the point he brought up interested me..." a cardinal in Brazil excommunicating a woman for allowing her daughter to get an abortion but not the catholic man who raped her..."

Any idea what he is talking about? and why does it seem that some people excommunicated for some things but not other that are just as bad?

[4588686]

[quote name='Oremoose' timestamp='1342816091' post='2457343']
the point he brought up interested me..." a cardinal in Brazil excommunicating a woman for allowing her daughter to get an abortion but not the catholic man who raped her..."

Any idea what he is talking about? and why does it seem that some people excommunicated for some things but not other that are just as bad?
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[url="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/world/europe/08vatican.html"]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/world/europe/08vatican.html[/url]

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1342819534' post='2457358']
[url="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/world/europe/08vatican.html"]http://www.nytimes.c.../08vatican.html[/url]
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That's so tragic. She was [b]NINE[/b]. The man who raped her must have been incredibly ill.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1342799407' post='2457283']
I understand why it can be frustrating to listen to someone talk about everything they don't like, but when you listen all the way through, I really believe there's something valuable to be heard. I have a love for that man I would not have had if I had not listened to him -- even the parts I did't like or understand.
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Maybe, but even so, he hailed his mother as some manner of saint for using birth control and rolling her eyes at the old out of touch white dummy in the Vatican. He said that his mother believed that the church was as much hers as it was Pope Benedict's.
Well, no.
This isn't a democracy. If you don't like what the Church preaches, man up and do like your son did and leave it.

[kujo]

You people are really jerks sometimes.

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1342819802' post='2457361']
Maybe, but even so, he hailed his mother as some manner of saint for using birth control and rolling her eyes at the old out of touch white dummy in the Vatican. He said that his mother believed that the church was as much hers as it was Pope Benedict's.
Well, no.
This isn't a democracy. If you don't like what the Church preaches, man up and do like your son did and leave it.
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Criticize his dead mother all you want, I still heard something valuable in the words he spoke. The message I heard may not have been the intended one, but I still walked away with something positive.