Basilisa Marie Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I just got done with an eschatology course taught by a visiting Irish priest. He seemed to think that while this is a time of great persecution, trials, scandals, etc, he also hopes that from all of this will come a time of great renewal for the Church. It's been brought on by years of poor choices and insufficient catechesis. Another professor of mine wrote an article about the new Evangelical Catholic minority, those younger (and some older!) people who were raised with a solid theological education and are super excited about the faith, so they're the ones going into ministry now. Phatmass pretty much embodies the new Evangelical Catholic phenomenon. So while we are reaping the truly rotten fruit that was sown, there's still much hope for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spem in alium Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I think there's an undercurrent of persecution in all places, even in developed countries. I've experienced religious (and specifically Catholic) intolerance and hatred in my own country, and it definitely brings the words of Christ to mind. The Church is in the news all the time here, and almost always for wrong and hurtful reasons. There have been mistakes made by people from all areas of the Catholic community, and it's a shame to witness. Young people really need to be encouraged to understand and get excited about their faith. Ultimately, the future of the Church rests on their shoulders. They will be the ones who will need to defend and nurture the Church, and if they don't know the first thing about the faith they profess then in my view we stand little hope of progressing or of defeating scandal. A short time ago all that I knew about the Church was what I saw in the Mass, and even that I didn't understand fully. Now things are different because I found in myself a desire to learn more. Praying for the Church and for its leaders. May we soon experience the renewal that is longed for by so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 [quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1341944842' post='2454391'] Too, it's an election year. That always tends to make things worse. We miss you, Father. Keep praying for us ... we are praying for you. [/quote] [quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1341944949' post='2454392'] Yes, and Catholics are trying to unite and fight against society. It's bound to make the Church an even bigger target. [/quote] People (probably) already think I'm crazy for being anti-contraception. The HHS Mandate and other crap in the media isn't helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Hasan - when you assume, you make an ass out of u, but not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) JC "Hell will never overcome the church." he doesn't say that it doesn't try at times... Peolple are entitled to there opinion, don't take it as persecution, or personaly. Be openly christian in Saudi Arabia and you will see what persecution truley is. It may head that way in the U.S. but i doubt it, to any large degree anyway. But also don't shrink away from the tounge of the fierce but also don't respond with ferocity or one would be turning a camp fire into a funeral pyre. Encourage those within the church whom are mislead without condoning serious error or crucifying as we are all sinners to some degree,don't forget that. And in these times where the popularity of athiesm seems to be on the increase we need to be tactful in how we associate with such fellows to soften there hearts and not harden them even further. But as per usuall this is my personal opinion and unsure if there is any wisdom from GOD in what i say. God Bless you all. Onward christians souls. JESUS iz LORD. God is Good,God is love,God saves. Edited July 10, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1341948382' post='2454413'] You are incorrect, the internet is not limited to the US, and I am sure there are Egyptian Christians etc that have access. You persecute one Christian you persecute us all. [/quote] So when you refereed to a transition from hatred to actual persecution you did not have American Christiahs primairly in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1341948382' post='2454413'] You are incorrect, the internet is not limited to the US, and I am sure there are Egyptian Christians etc that have access. You persecute one Christian you persecute us all. [/quote] I tried to prop that but i have run out. I think the holy bible states the whole body groans over the sufferings of one, or something like that anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 [quote name='Spem in alium' timestamp='1341951806' post='2454441'] I think there's an undercurrent of persecution in all places, even in developed countries. I've experienced religious (and specifically Catholic) intolerance and hatred in my own country, and it definitely brings the words of Christ to mind. The Church is in the news all the time here, and almost always for wrong and hurtful reasons. There have been mistakes made by people from all areas of the Catholic community, and it's a shame to witness. Young people really need to be encouraged to understand and get excited about their faith. Ultimately, the future of the Church rests on their shoulders. They will be the ones who will need to defend and nurture the Church, and if they don't know the first thing about the faith they profess then in my view we stand little hope of progressing or of defeating scandal. A short time ago all that I knew about the Church was what I saw in the Mass, and even that I didn't understand fully. Now things are different because I found in myself a desire to learn more. Praying for the Church and for its leaders. May we soon experience the renewal that is longed for by so many. [/quote] 1. Why does it suprise you that individualy the holy catholic church is not perfect, in that individuals can fall into heronious error, clergy inclusive. The holy bible states she is made holy by the holy spirit and the movement of the spirit from pentecost is an ongoing works. 2.How can we expect the youth to be strong if we aren't strong. It begins with you and me, and than the youth will follow, Hopefully in faith with love through our LORD JESUS CHRIST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 And Pope benedict said that what is once made holy can not be made un-holy i guess as in past infalible matters of faith and morals. But in that the holy bible also states that grace builds on grace, so there are new holy stuff and old holy stuff and a huge variety of levels of holyness old and new but all made holy by the holy spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) Must we wait until American streets flow red with blood of Christians before we can see that some form of State sponsder persecution exist here? Must a wife of a man who verbally berates her, strictly restricts her freedom and forces her to do immoral things wait until he physically abuses her to know he is abusing her? American Christians may not be subject to hard persecution, yet, but they are subject to a soft persecution. The current regime seeks to subjugate the Church in the United States by denying her basic Freedoms and Liberty by forcing her to pay for immorality. We shouldn't fear calling a rose, a rose, or persecution, persecution even if it is soft persecution. And even if the our beloved and blind little sultan agrees with us or not. Unless we are able to undo this injustice physical and hard persecution is on its way for those who choose to be faithful and obey God, His Church rather than man. "I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square." -- Cardinal Francis George Edited July 10, 2012 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1341957136' post='2454481'] Hasan - when you assume, you make an ass out of u, but not me. [/quote] Why do you wish to antagonise hasan with such a comment relating to him being an idiot which the bible states we should not call people even if in fact one is. And i'm not saying you are hasan. He surely is entitled to his opinion also whether assumed without much evidence or assumed with some evidence or alot. Edited July 10, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1341960132' post='2454502'] Must we wait until American streets flow red with blood of Christians before we can see that some form of State sponsder persecution exist here? Must a wife of a man who verbally berates her, strictly restricts her freedom and forces her to do immoral things wait until he physically abuses her to know he is abusing her? American Christians may not be subject to hard persecution, yet, but they are subject to a soft persecution. The current regime seeks to subjugate the Church in the United States by denying her basic Freedoms and Liberty by forcing her to pay for immorality. We shouldn't fear calling a rose, a rose, or persecution, persecution even if it is soft persecution. And even if the our beloved and blind little sultan agrees with us or not. Unless we are able to undo this injustice physical and hard persecution is on its way for those who choose to be faithful and obey God, His Church rather than man. "I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square." -- Cardinal Francis George [/quote] This is all possible and not probable, as is the effects of CO2 on global warming. I suggest you capture the poor for Jesus, when jesus has the heart of the poor it is very difficult for greedy money pigs to assert supreme dominion over any nation. The actual poor and working poor make up such a large chunk of any nation including the u.s.a. GO FEED THE SHEEP! Go and win the souls of the poor and working poor with faith hope and love, because it is all they have, there will be your army of GOD. Even if you only win 1 or 2 in your life with the grace of GOD that 1 or 2 will become 3 or 4 eventually. Edited July 10, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Feed and clothe your actual poor and working poor, don't leave it soley to the authorities that be including the vatican and clergy, and don't forget to talk to them about the redmetive mission of christ and that he loves us all richer or poorer better or worse that we just have to believe and we will recieve, or whatever the holy spirit has you to say. And don't assume where the money will go but if it disturbs your concience than by them actual clothing and food. Some will sow and some will reap, some will just feed and clothe them and add a bible verse or something from the holy word or life experience and also listen to them there hanging out for somone to listen and understand, and some will be the good samaritan and reap what has been sowin and spend one dark night with them. David could not breathe life into the valley of bones but JESUS CHRIST can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) JC " a man is not fed alone by bread and water, he is also fed by every word." Edited July 10, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire*Starter Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Honestly...its from the inside. In my area those who prefer Catholocism traditional have gone all out tinfoil hat bunker style. They refuse women from mass for wearing dress pants (floor-length skirts only) and men for wearing jeans. Believe me, Ive tried to attend a trad. Mass. Outside the church it depends. At my current workplace...a private non-profit with no religious affiliation...has a workplace "ethics" code which reflects moral behavior and outshines some Catholic universities. My old workplace was government run education and a greater group of snakes and parannahs could not be found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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