For The Ladies: Fragility?

[cmotherofpirl]

[size=4][color=#000000][font='Times New Roman'][b]AIN'T I A WOMAN?[/b][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font='Times New Roman'][b]by Sojourner Truth[/b][/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font='Times New Roman'][b]Delivered 1851 at the Women's Convention in Akron, Ohio[/b][/font][/color][/size]


[indent=1]Well, children, where there is so much racket there must be something out of kilter. I think that 'twixt the negroes of the South and the women at the North, all talking about rights, the white men will be in a fix pretty soon. But what's all this here talking about?[/indent]


[left]That man over there says that women need to be helped into carriages, and lifted over ditches, and to have the best place everywhere. Nobody ever helps me into carriages, or over mud-puddles, or gives me any best place! And ain't I a woman? Look at me! Look at my arm! I have ploughed and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And ain't I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as a man - when I could get it - and bear the lash as well! And ain't I a woman? I have borne thirteen children, and seen most all sold off to slavery, and when I cried out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me! And ain't I a woman?[/left]
[left]Then they talk about this thing in the head; what's this they call it? [member of audience whispers, "intellect"] That's it, honey. What's that got to do with women's rights or negroes' rights? If my cup won't hold but a pint, and yours holds a quart, wouldn't you be mean not to let me have my little half measure full?[/left]
[left]Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him.[/left]
[left]If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back , and get it right side up again! And now they is asking to do it, the men better let them.[/left]
[left]Obliged to you for hearing me, and now old Sojourner ain't got nothing more to say.[/left]

[fides' Jack]

Whew! Glad I'm not the first guy in here!

I really don't think the idea of women being "fragile" needs to be based on what women think (of themselves or other women), or even on reality. The idea is one that men [i]should [/i]have, so that they treat women gently.

It's not for the betterment of women, but for the betterment of men.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1341944010' post='2454383']The idea is one that men [i]should [/i]have, so that [b]they treat women gently.[/b][/quote]

please elaborate on what you mean by this.

[MissyP89]

[quote]
Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him.

If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back , and get it right side up again! And now they is asking to do it, the men better let them.[/quote]

Amen and amen!

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1341944010' post='2454383']
Whew! Glad I'm not the first guy in here!

I really don't think the idea of women being "fragile" needs to be based on what women think (of themselves or other women), or even on reality. The idea is one that men [i]should [/i]have, so that they treat women gently.

It's not for the betterment of women, but for the betterment of men.
[/quote] I like the idea of being treated gently it implies to me the person has some manners and respect for the other sex, I am all for that

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1341948675' post='2454414']
I like the idea of being treated gently it implies to me the person has some manners and respect for the other sex, I am all for that
[/quote]

I agree. I too would like to be treated gently in this context. I'm not saying I want to be treated as if I am fragile or emotionally unstable, but I like it when people treat me as if I have feelings. People (And in some cases women especially) will tell me things straight without pity or second thought because I am after all a "man" and I have no emotions, and this can lead to them hurting my feelings which I allegedly don't have. I think we all have our fair share of feelings despite our gender, and it's high time we all treated each other in this world like we should.

[Basilisa Marie]

I think gentleness is a lost virtue in today's world. To me it means being kind and loving, and trying to cultivate a place where people feel safe enough to let their guard down. Even some scholars of feminist ethics argue that women have historically been more concerned with relationships than with power (for whatever reason), and so it makes sense that women would be associated with cultivating a strong sense of gentleness. And I think in that sense, that virtue of gentleness desperately needs protection, especially in our society today. But we run into problems when we don't encourage men to be gentle as well, or when we objectify the gentleness of a woman and turn her into something that must never wander outside the home, or when we give gentleness the connotations of fragility. When in fact, gentleness takes a great deal of strength and trust.

[fides' Jack]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1341944096' post='2454384']
please elaborate on what you mean by this.
[/quote]

Men should be gentlemen.

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1341949356' post='2454418']
I agree. I too would like to be treated gently in this context. I'm not saying I want to be treated as if I am fragile or emotionally unstable, but I like it when people treat me as if I have feelings. People (And in some cases women especially) will tell me things straight without pity or second thought because I [s]am [/s][b][color=#FF0000]will hopefully someday be [/color][/b]after all a "man" and I have no emotions, and this can lead to them hurting my feelings which I allegedly don't have. I think we all have our fair share of feelings despite our gender, and it's high time we all treated each other in this world like we should.
[/quote]

[s]Fixed. You'll understand when it happens.[/s]

Edit: sorry - that was mean. What I meant to say was that this thread is not about how men should be treated. Furthermore, before you can be a gentleman, you have to learn to be a man.

Edited July 10, 2012 by fides' Jack

[Lil Red]

so you're talking about manners? (that's what i think of when i hear the word "gentleman")

[Amppax]

[quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1341901038' post='2454270']
I agree with whatever beatitude says
[/quote]

You sound like L_D.

[fides' Jack]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1341950655' post='2454429']
so you're talking about manners? (that's what i think of when i hear the word "gentleman")
[/quote]

Manners, yes - but I think it goes well beyond manners. I don't think a man can truly be classified as a "gentleman" without being able to keep all aspects of his person under control - thoughts, desires, words, and actions. I tend of think of manners as very superficial; they mean nothing if the motivation is not good.

Needless to say, this is an aspect of myself that I'm still working on.

[i<3LSOP]

[quote name='EmilyAnn' timestamp='1341877050' post='2454127']
And I agree with Missy, I like the idea of gentleness.
[/quote]

I'll have to admit I kind of like the idea, too.

I try to be gentle, but my personality is bubbly and outgoing.

I try to act pleasant, gentle, and kind. It sometimes works.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

My point was we all are breakable. St Joan of arc was just an example of a women whom was also called by GOD to be a warrior, st joan of arc is the reality i think of how tough women can be, if so called to be by GOD. I think there is alot of heart to be gained from by St Joan of Arc in this day and age,a shinning star of intercession for all women whom may live in fear of being alone walking the streets or even alone at home with Dexter waiting outside. Just for today there is nothing to fear but fear itself,in my thinking,in my head,in my mind. But GOD is here and now and will be with me in the future,so there is nothing to fear today.
False.
Evidence.
Appearing.
Real.

I rekon to some degree women are alot tougher than men, every truely great man has also had a truely great wife.Whether the man be famous or not. Thats what i like to think anyway. Maybe i'm fantasysing but it seems right.

Edited July 10, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1341875768' post='2454111']
I'm wondering what the women in the phamily think about this quote.

“Women are delicate creatures. Fragile. Gentle. Made by God to be sheltered from the harshness of this world."

Does it ring true to you? Does it offend? What are your thoughts?
[/quote]

The quote seems to imply an emotional and mental fragility, which I greatly disagree with.

[Mark of the Cross]

For everything God has purpose. Without the poor how can we feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the imprisoned. Without the fragile how can we give comfort and compassion.

[url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=50&ch=9&l=1#x"][i]John 9 [/i][/url][i][url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=50&ch=9&l=1#x"][1][/url] And Jesus passing by, saw a man, who was blind from his birth: [url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=50&ch=9&l=2#x"][2][/url] And his disciples asked him: Rabbi, who hath sinned, this man, or his parents, that he should be born blind? [url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=50&ch=9&l=3#x"][3][/url] Jesus answered: Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents; but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. [url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=50&ch=9&l=4#x"][4][/url] I must work the works of him that sent me, whilst it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. [url="http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=50&ch=9&l=5#x"][5][/url] As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.[/i]