Jesus' Creed

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In the Name of Allah , the Most Gracious , the Most merciful

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Q-1:What is Jesus’s creed(Allah’s peace be upon him)?
Q-2:In what is Jesus used to believing ?

Thank you in advance.

Edited May 17, 2004 by ayed

[Dave]

[quote name='ayed' date='May 17 2004, 11:22 AM'] Q-1:What is Jesus’s creed(Allah’s peace be upon him)?
Q-2:In what is Jesus used to believing ?

Thank you in advance. [/quote]
Welcome back, Ayed!

Unfortunately, I'm a moron, and so I'm not sure I understand your questions. But I might understand and not realize it.

Anyway, Jesus is a Jew, and He, along with the Church he founded, namely, the Catholic Church, is the fulfillment of Judaism. And we can't really say that Jesus BELIEVES anything, as that implies an element of uncertainty. Rather, since He's God as well as man, He KNOWS all things -- no need to believe when one already knows.

[phatcatholic]

i would say that every word from the mouth of Jesus is a testament to what he "believes." he beleives that:

--he and the Father are one
--that love is selfless and unconditional
--that he has fulfilled the old law
--that the traditions of men neglect the spirit of God's law
--that he must die and ascend to the father
--that Peter is the foundation of his church on earth
--that only he can judge
--that he is the bread of life

.....ironically, the same beliefs that Catholics hold!

essentially, would not the entire New Testament be his creed? afterall the NT includes both what Jesus professes and the interpretation of His message by his apostles.

anyway, that's my 0.02

[Crusader_4]

My simple answer for that would be the apostles Creed unlike in Islam where Mohamaad (please excuse if i spelt wrong) actually wrote down in Christianity Jesus did not...therfore we must not rely on the men that knew him best and their Tradition (hence capital "T") So i would say taht the apostles Creed if you are wondering what Jesus believed would be the basics and the Nicene Creed would get into more detail. Now maybe i am totally off bat with your question but that is how i interperted it.

[ayed]

In the Name of Allah , the Most Gracious , the Most merciful


I thank our Moderator who has pinned my topic.
I thank you , Mr.Dave, Phatcatholic and Crusader_4 for your answers.

I am still waiting for convincing religious answer .That is, scientific responses.
I am still in fertile Forum to have my questions answered.

thank you again
your phatmass mate
Ayed

[phatcatholic]

scientific answers for what Jesus believes?

i don't think i understand what you are asking for, please clarify

[ayed]

My questions is clear:

What is Jesus' creed?
I ask everyone to convey my question to any priest to be answered.

Thank you

[Aloysius]

Jesus didn't write anything down to leave us.

Jesus believed all He said in the Bible. He believed in God as His Personal Father (Abba, [i]St Mark 14:36), [/i]He believed He was the bread of life come down from heaven and that men must eat His flesh and drink His blood to inherit eternal life[i](St John 6:51) [/i]He believed that the Holy Spirit would reveal things to His Apostles [i](St. John 16:13)[/i] and especially that Simon Peter and His successors could say things that flesh and blood had not revealed to them, but His Father in Heaven [i](St. Matthew 16:18)[/i]

[b]In short, He believed He came down from heaven [i](St. John 6:51)[/i] sent by His Father, He believed He was God teaching amoung the people [i](St. John 6:35)[/i] and that the Spirit of Truth; the Spirit of God ; would stay with His Church and teach it all things He wished it to know[i](St. John 16:13).[/i][/b]

[ayed]

Thank you all for your responses .
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Hi, Mr.Aloyisus !Where have you been , man?I have really missed you , pal!
I hope that you are not upset by me?

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Q-1.Does Jesus(Allah’s peace be upon him)believe in Trinity ?
Q-2.What was the Virgin Mary’creed(Allah’s peace be upon her)?What would she believe in?
Q-3.Did the Virgin Mary worship her son , Jesus?
Q-4.Did the Virgin Mary believe in Trinity?
Q-5.Did Jesus created his mother, the Virgin Mary?
Q-6.Did Mary state that her son, Jesus , is a God?

Do not forget to call me “a heretic”

I am very happy to read you answers sooner.
Kindly, back up your answers with some verses of your holy books.
Thank you

With my best regards.
Ayed

[Quietfire]

sorry ayed.
I couldnt call you a heretic.
If you ask your questions with charity, as you are doing, then neither would anyone else.
To inquire means to learn......the truth.

[Dave]

[quote name='ayed' date='May 19 2004, 01:17 PM'] Q-1.Does Jesus(Allah’s peace be upon him)believe in Trinity ?
Q-2.What was the Virgin Mary’creed(Allah’s peace be upon her)?What would she believe in?
Q-3.Did the Virgin Mary worship her son , Jesus?
Q-4.Did the Virgin Mary believe in Trinity?
Q-5.Did Jesus created his mother, the Virgin Mary?
Q-6.Did Mary state that her son, Jesus , is a God?

Do not forget to call me “a heretic”

I am very happy to read you answers sooner.
Kindly, back up your answers with some verses of your holy books.
Thank you

With my best regards.
Ayed [/quote]
To answer your questions:

1. Not only does Jesus believe in the Trinity, but He's part of it -- the second Person of the Trinity, to be exact.
2. The Virgin Mary was raised a Jew, but she became a Christian when she became the Mother of Jesus. After all, Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism.
3. Yes, the Virgin Mary worshiped her Son, Jesus.
4. Yes, the Virgin Mary believed in the Trinity.
5. Yes, Jesus created Mary together with the Father and the Holy Spirit, just like all 3 persons of the Trinity created everything and everybody.
6. Mary surely knew her Son is God, but there's no place in the Bible where she explicitly says so.

I'm sorry, Ayed, but I can't very well back up these answers with quotes from the Bible, as none of these facts are explicitly stated in it.

[Aloysius]

Ayed, i'm glad to see you. No i am not upset by you. You are fairly charitable and i enjoy discussing things with you.


[b]1[/b] Jesus believed in the Trinity. This is of course testified by those who were taught by Him. The one called His "beloved disciple," St. John, who was close to Him all throughout his ministry, says in his teaching [QUOTE]And there are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.[QUOTE][i] 1 St. John 5:7[/i]

[b]2[/b] Mary held in her heart and contemplated all things that occured to her from the moment Gabriel told her about Jesus
[QUOTE]But Mary kept all these things, pondering them in her heart. [/QUOTE] [i]St. Luke 2:19[/i] Therefore, what can we see from only our Scriptures she believed Read the Gospel of St. Luke Chapters 1 and 2, and take note of what Gabriel said to her, and take note of her Magnificat
[QUOTE]And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid: for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. 49 Because he that is mighty hath done great things to me: and holy is his name. 50 And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him. 51 He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. 52 He hath put down the mighty from their seat and hath exalted the humble. 53 He hath filled the hungry with good things: and the rich he hath sent empty away. 54 He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy. 55 As he spoke to our fathers: to Abraham and to his seed for ever. [/QUOTE]
[i]St. Luke 1:46-55[/i]
She believed that in Her son all things written in the Old Testament had been fulfilled. She believed that her soul was special (sinless) and magnified the Lord's mercy and salvation to humanity especially through her son, yet she was very humble about that. She clearly believes Her Son is to save all people from their sins.

taking into account [i]St. Luke 2:19[/i] she probably believed what St. Elizabeth said about her: calling her the Mother of the Lord, the Mother of God [i]St. Luke 1:43[/i]

anyway, yes she worshipped her son. She took into account what the Angel had said to her about her, held it in her heart, and thus believed Jesus was God. And then, how could such a pious soul as Mary NOT worship the Lord of the Universe?

[b]3/4/6. [/b] she is told that her son is God by the Messenger of God, St. Gabriel

[QUOTE]Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb and shalt bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name Jesus. 32 He shall be great and shall be called [b]the Son of the Most High.[/b] And the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father: and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. 33 And of his kingdom there shall be no end.[/QUOTE] St. Luke 1:31-33

[b]5[/b][QUOTE]In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3[u] All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made[/u]. [/QUOTE] [i]St. John 1:1-3[/i]

yep, Jesus, the Word made flesh, made everything and He made His mother. Because He made His own mother, He was able to make Her immaculate and keep her free from all sin.

Anyway, welcome back to PhatMass. I enjoy talking to you.

Pax Amorque Christi
Peace and Love of Christ

[Dave]

Oops, I guess there ARE quotes from our holy books after all! I just didn't think hard enough. Anyone wanna bop me upside the head?

[ayed]

In the name of Allah , the Most gracious , the Most merciful

Thank you all .


I would like to thank Allah Who has guided us to discuss these issues , though , long distance separating us .My questions are always serious.

Thanks and praise be to Allah .I thank you because you have spent much of your own familial times to answer my questions.I really appreciate anyone who just even read our topic.I thank those who drove to a nearest priess or to the Church for answering my questions .

Before I comment on your responses and wrap up the topic ,I would just ask the final question.

Q---What was the creed of Adam , of Eve, of Solomon , of David and of Moses .

Thank you in advance.

[Dave]

Solomon, David, and Moses were all Jews in belief and practice. As for Adam and Eve, well, the Jewish faith hadn't exactly come into existence at the time, at least not in its full form. But I guess you could call them Jews, in a way.