Things You Should Know As A Catholic

[Slappo]

Oh, and apparently my Bachelor's in Theology has failed me

[Slappo]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1341857806' post='2453969']
Yes they do, but I bet they make sure they know them or the equivalent when they hit grade school like we had to.
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Not saying we shouldn't know stuff, simply that a "test" for the sacraments [b]of initiation [/b]is ludicrous. Marriage prep, masters degree for holy orders, things like that make sense... but those aren't sacraments of initiation.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1341857503' post='2453966']
Infants don't know all of those things yet the East still sees it fit that they recieve [b]both [/b]first communion and confirmation.
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Yes they do, but I bet they make sure they know them or the equivalent when they hit grade school like we had to.

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1341858087' post='2453976']
[u]Definition of a Sacrament[/u]
An outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace, that contains the grace it signifies.

[u]The Seven Sacraments[/u]
Baptism
Eucharist
Confirmation
Confession
Anointing of the Sick
Holy Orders
Marriage

[u]The Theological Virtues[/u]
Faith
Hope
Love (Charity)

[u]The Four Cardinal Virtues[/u]
Prudence
Justice
Fortitude
Temperance
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Hey Red start a new thread please

[Adrestia]

[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1341857756' post='2453967']
I think testing our kids before receiving sacraments is one of the crucial things that is missing in our catechesis today. We don't [i]require[/i] them to know anything anymore, and that's a big reason why we have such a huge crisis of faith today.

But that is just my personal opinion.
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What? I've failed kids. A family left our parish because their attempt to go around me failed. After trying the Rel Ed director and the pastor, the kid's mom actually wrote a letter to the bishop (a letter filled with lies) trying to get her son a passing grade.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1341857756' post='2453967']
I sometimes surprise myself at what I can recall.



I think testing our kids before receiving sacraments is one of the crucial things that is missing in our catechesis today. We don't [i]require[/i] them to know anything anymore, and that's a big reason why we have such a huge crisis of faith today.

But that is just my personal opinion.



Wow - I'm hitting this thread pretty hard. I guess this one really strikes a chord with me. Maybe I should back off for a while...
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I don't think that using the sacraments as a reward is a good idea, though, and that's how it comes across if you have to pass a test before receiving a sacrament --like you "earned" the sacrament. I definitely agree that if there are no expectations of people knowing this stuff, no one will bother. But I think we have enough problems with people seeing confirmation as "Catholic Graduation" and we don't need to turn First Holy Communion into some sort of reward, as well.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1341686386' post='2453160']The 3 Evangelical Counsels[/quote]

i don't understand how knowing that a religious priest (not diocesan) is bound to poverty, chastity, and obedience is as crucial to knowing our faith as knowing the books of the Bible? unless i'm missing something??

[MissyP89]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' timestamp='1341759677' post='2453488']
Wile these things are good to know, I have to say I don't agree with having some kind of test for a child to be given the Sacraments. But that is just my personal opinion.
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[quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1341858015' post='2453975']
Not saying we shouldn't know stuff, simply that a "test" for the sacraments [b]of initiation [/b]is ludicrous. Marriage prep, masters degree for holy orders, things like that make sense... but those aren't sacraments of initiation.
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This is my opinion as well. I went through CCD from 1996-2003, and every single person in my class tuned out and eventually fell away, myself included. It was structured with memorization, recitation by rote, tests, homework and grading. What we walked out with after 8 years was a bunch of prayers we could parrot at will without any understanding of what it meant or why we should care.

I didn't know what transubstantiation was until I was 18, and attended Adoration for the first time as a sophomore in college. I never knew about either of those things until that point.

It took a Protestant ministry to actually teach me about living a relationship with God. So yes, my catechesis did fail me, and that was with knowing much of the list in the OP.

Teaching them the Faith is critical, but if it's not built on getting to know and love Christ and building zeal for His Church, then it's all pointless.

[sixpence]

I will answer my own question: www.fisheaters.com/lists.html

[size=5][b]Also, I made us some flashcards[/b][/size]: http://www.flashcardmachine.com/machine/?read_only=2070688&p=8x2j

[Lil Red]

[quote name='sixpence' timestamp='1341860200' post='2454013']
I will answer my own question: www.fisheaters.com/lists.html

[size=5][b]Also, I made us some flashcards[/b][/size]: [url="http://www.flashcardmachine.com/machine/?read_only=2070688&p=8x2j"]http://www.flashcard...=2070688&p=8x2j[/url]
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[Amppax]

Still confused on the precepts. Most lists I've seen (including the one in my Missal) list only 5 precepts. Including the Catechism.

[Hubertus]

[quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1341864039' post='2454038']
Still confused on the precepts. Most lists I've seen (including the one in my Missal) list only 5 precepts. Including the Catechism.
[/quote] I was confused too, since my Baltimore Catechism has 6 but modern Catechisms have 5. I think they took the 6th one out somewhere in the past century.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Hubertus' timestamp='1341864568' post='2454042']
I was confused too, since my Baltimore Catechism has 6 but modern Catechisms have 5. I think they took the 6th one out somewhere in the past century.
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[url="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_six_precepts_of_the_church"]found this[/url], but don't know how reliable it is:


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Over the centuries, there have been a number of different ways of numbering the precepts of the Church. [u]The Catechism of the Catholic Church[/u] currently lists only five precepts (the first five below), [u]The St. Joseph Catechism[/u], otherwise known as [u]The Baltimore Catechism[/u], which was used in the United States for over a century lists the first six below, and John Paul II added the seventh below.

[b]Seven Precepts of the Church[/b]
1. To assist at Mass and rest from servile work on all Sundays and holidays of obligation.
2. To fast and abstain on the days appointed by the Church;
3. To go to confession at least once a year;
4. To receive the Blessed Sacrament at least once a year, and that about Easter time;
5. To contribute to the support of our pastors according to our means;
6. Not to marry within certain [u][background=transparent][url="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_six_precepts_of_the_church#"]degrees[/url] [/background][/u]of kindred, nor to marry with solemnity at forbidden times.
7. To join in the missionary spirit and apostolate of the Church.

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Edited July 9, 2012 by Lil Red

[Hubertus]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1341864841' post='2454045']
[url="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_six_precepts_of_the_church"]found this[/url], but don't know how reliable it is:
[/quote] Ah! I just posted about that in the other thread. I wonder why JPII's precept isn't in the catechism now..?

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1341833623' post='2453846']I think maybe this problem is deeper than "the past 40 years".. As if from 34AD - 1962 catechesis was splendid and without incident...

Pelosi was born in 1940, and was most likely catechised between 1945 and 1956.

Biden was born in 1942, and was most likely catechised between 1947 and 1958.

Blaming everything on "the past 40 years" gets old and when used ad nauseam; really only denotes those who seem to wish to separate the Church into Pre and Post V2. (oops, did I say that?)

Content is 'thrown' out when you have non-engaged catechists, do-little or do-nothing parents, and a culture (which is not confined to a time period) wherein the proper attention is not given from Bishop down to the importance of the tenets of the faith, which were enumerated very well in the very first post; and If they are taught, they are "just the things we memorize, then forget; because the catechist, pastor, parents and parish has not made the 'why' relevant."

Blaming poor catechesis on the past 40 years is a cowardly cop-out, an excuse, a scapegoat on which hedged bets are poised. "We're doing the best we can, but those darned last 40 years..."

Paron my run-on sentences and spelling errors, it's Mondya.
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I would give [b]my[/b] daily allotment of props to [b]this[/b] post if I could.

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1341858938' post='2453989']i don't understand how knowing that a religious priest (not diocesan) is bound to poverty, chastity, and obedience is as crucial to knowing our faith as knowing the books of the Bible? unless i'm missing something??
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I don't know how any child raised in the church misses out on that one. (As the CFRs teach: no money, no honey and a boss.) Choose a better example.

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1341863855' post='2454035']
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You're the best. Thanks!

[OnlySunshine]

I already knew my catechesis was not strong enough. There is still much I don't know. I had to re-teach myself the basic regulations for Catholic life. I grew up not knowing that it was a requirement to attend Mass on Holy Days of Obligation because my parents were always too tired from work to go. My mom has apologized to me more than once for not being such a great teacher. I never prayed the Rosary or knew anything about devotions. Thank God for books like:

[i]Did Adam and Eve Have Belly Buttons?[/i]
[i]Catholic Questions and Catholic Answers[/i]
[i]Surprised by Truth[/i]
Catechism of the Catholic Church (most importantly)

They answered all my questions when I came back to the faith in 2007.

Edited July 9, 2012 by MaterMisericordiae