Basilisa Marie Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 If I know all the Vatican II documents, does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubertus Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1341710814' post='2453275'] Actually, Bro Adam, a few of these things aren't in the Baltimore Catechism, so I don't have to know them. [/quote] Heard that.. I've memorized the entire Baltimore Catechism at one point. I've just forgotten it by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubertus Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1341758184' post='2453485'] If I know all the Vatican II documents, does that count? [/quote] You should probably add on the Council of Trent documents too, if you live in the Bible Belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1341723213' post='2453379'] Btw, some of our priests require their 2nd graders to recite all of those to be admitted to Communion. So, are you smarter than a second grader [/quote]Wile these things are good to know, I have to say I don't agree with having some kind of test for a child to be given the Sacraments. But that is just my personal opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubertus Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Btw, you can find a list of all the things mentioned and then some over at Fish Eaters ([url="http://www.fisheaters.com/lists.html"]http://www.fisheaters.com/lists.html[/url]). My only objection to this link is the way they treat the Luminous Mysteries in a side-note. They do list them, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i<3franciscans Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 What are the nine ways you can help someone sin? and the 3 Eminently Good Works? Those are the only two I didn't know... And I never went to CCD classes or anything of the sort, I was just raised on the Baltimore Catechism by my wonderful mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyAnn Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I can't name a lot of those but I refuse to say my catechesis has failed me because it hasn't. Just because I can't recite lists of things doesn't make a bad Catholic. It feels far too reminiscent of some Christian denominations: memorise your Bible verses. Memorising something doesn't mean you understand it or that it is meaningful to you. It means you can remember a list of things. I resent the suggestion that the state of my soul is somehow dependent on my ability to memorise lists or that anyone is spiritually better than me for having memorised said lists. Can I list all of those things? No. Do I know the answers? Yes. There's a difference there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1341705624' post='2453236'] If you do not have a personal and loving relationship with our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God; your catechesis has failed you. [/quote] [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1341686386' post='2453160'] Today is Saturday. Go to confession. Do not die an unprepared death. Your eternal soul depends on it. Your catechesis has failed you if you do not know: The 10 Commandments The 6 Precepts The 7 Sacraments The 3 Theological Virtues The 4 Cardinal Virtues The 7 Gifts of the Spirit The 12 Fruits of the Spirit The Spiritual Works of Mercy The Corporal Works of Mercy The 8 Beatitudes The 7 Deadly Sins The 3 Evangelical Counsels The 3 Eminently Good Works The 9 Ways of being an accessory for another's sin. [/quote] it's not an either/or situation here, right guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1341688196' post='2453168'] 1. To hear Mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation 2. To fast and abstain on the days commanded. 3. To confess at least once a year. 4. To receive the Blessed Eucharist at Easter or within the time appointed. 5. To contribute to the support of our Pastors. 6. Not to solemnize marriage at times forbidden by the Church. [/quote] When did they add #6? I have been teaching CCD for 8 years and it has been 1-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1341722827' post='2453366'] If you don't know anything about Jesus, then you don't have much of a relationship with him. Jesus does not call us to be good. God calls us to be holy. The Church teaches us how. [/quote] this ain't a contest, yo.. slow your roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
she_who_is_not Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I plead the RCIA defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1341722598' post='2453360'] Traditional, not weird. [/quote] Nah - I'm very much a traditionalist - growing up I memorized 4 different catechisms several times each (I was required to be able to answer verbatim at least half of one before I could receive Holy Communion). I can still recite, verbatim, the 6 "Laws" of the Church as I memorized them as a youngling (which are definitely worded differently than this). I even went to fish eaters, because I thought maybe they would have them closer to your verbage - but even they were closer to mine. Given that, I'm curious as to the source of the verbage as you gave above. Traditional? Maybe, but it would have to be [i]pretty[/i] old to be more traditional than what I know. Specifically, I'm curious as to what you believe the meaning of the word "solemnize" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1341723023' post='2453373'] These go deeper than the foundational formulas, but would be great to study. Memorizing all the popes would be sweet. Go for it. [/quote] Again - I disagree. I posted that as a joke mainly, but I think all but the last 3 are quite foundational. More so than the 9 ways you can be an accomplice to sin - in my opinion. Anyway, I just think this is a funny topic. I'm certain the most of the peeps here are well ahead of the usual Catholic in memorizing any of these. I definitely agree with you that memorizing things like this is more helpful to one's faith life than most would admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1341799498' post='2453711'] Again - I disagree. I posted that as a joke mainly, but I think all but the last 3 are quite foundational. More so than the 9 ways you can be an accomplice to sin - in my opinion. Anyway, I just think this is a funny topic. I'm certain the most of the peeps here are well ahead of the usual Catholic in memorizing any of these. I definitely agree with you that memorizing things like this is more helpful to one's faith life than most would admit. [/quote] Knowing the 265 popes wont get you to heaven, and its not me you are disagreeing with, it is the Church. Knowing the ways you can be an accomplice will help you become holy. It is not meant to be funny. Our ignorance of the faith harms the Church as a whole. That is why personal missals include the basic formulas I listed and they are required for the sacraments in places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1341799242' post='2453707'] Nah - I'm very much a traditionalist - growing up I memorized 4 different catechisms several times each (I was required to be able to answer verbatim at least half of one before I could receive Holy Communion). I can still recite, verbatim, the 6 "Laws" of the Church as I memorized them as a youngling (which are definitely worded differently than this). I even went to fish eaters, because I thought maybe they would have them closer to your verbage - but even they were closer to mine. Given that, I'm curious as to the source of the verbage as you gave above. Traditional? Maybe, but it would have to be [i]pretty[/i] old to be more traditional than what I know. Specifically, I'm curious as to what you believe the meaning of the word "solemnize" is. [/quote] It is a direct quote from the Roman Catholic Daily Missal published by Angelus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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