Something Weird Happened At Mass Today

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='Annie12' timestamp='1341172846' post='2451230']
As long as one has made their first communion they can receive the precious blood. Right??? It not an age thing. (???)
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It's not an age thing at all. I was slugging that thing back when I was seven. Sadly I did not appreciate it properly and I only drank it because it was liquor in the physical sense. I really wasn't taught very well. I had absolutely no reference for it or the sacrament of confession until I was fourteen, not that this is any sort of strange occurrence these days. I've heard of young adults in my area grab the host like it was a Skittle and just pop it in their mouths.

But now that I remember correctly the woman actually wouldn't give me the host until my mother confirmed I was of age, not the wine.

Edited July 2, 2012 by FuturePriest387

[Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam]

[quote name='EmilyAnn' timestamp='1341185940' post='2451294']
I don't know. I've been really freaked out by this, I haven't been able to concentrate on my prayers or anything all day.
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This is where it becomes a different problem. Yes, one should be rightly concerned if you feel you are being denied during Communion; however, such a thing should not be allowed to interfere with your prayer. You cannot control what happened so why are you letting it control you and affect your prayer life? Address the problem at your earliest possible convenience and bring this in prayer before God.

[NonNovi]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1341185903' post='2451293']
if you receive just the Host, you are receiving both the Body and the Blood of Jesus Christ. if you receive just the wine, you are receiving the Body and the Blood of Jesus Christ. both forms are (usually at a Novus Ordo M[i]a[/i]ss) presented to more fully express (grr...not the word I want. perhaps represent?) what you are receiving....I had a more cohesive thought here but my children interrupted me and now it's gone.
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Do you have a source for this? It's really the first time I hear this, very interesting. And by the way, in Europe we don't receive under both forms. It's rather exceptional that others than the priest drink the Blood. In the Extraordinary Form of the rite it's not allowed.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='NonNovi' timestamp='1341509074' post='2452532']
Do you have a source for this? It's really the first time I hear this, very interesting. And by the way, in Europe we don't receive under both forms. It's rather exceptional that others than the priest drink the Blood. In the Extraordinary Form of the rite it's not allowed.
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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04175a.htm

[Lil Red]

[quote name='NonNovi' timestamp='1341183218' post='2451280']
You'll have to explain this to me, I don't think I understand you correctly. Doesn't our mother the Church teaches us:
(Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1376)
Christ is present whole and entire in both species (CCC 1377), that is correct. But Body and Blood are separated things. Jesus said so. He didn't say: this bread is my body and blood, this wine is my body and blood. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a specialist

(going a little off topic here)
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i just needed to add this, since I re-read it the other day:

CCC 1390:
Since Christ is sacramentally present under each of the species, communion under the species of bread along makes it possible to receive all the fruit of Eucharistic grace. For pastoral reasons this manner of receiving communion has been legitimately established as the most common form in the Latin rite. But "the sign of communion is more complete when given under both kinds, since in that form the sign of the Eucharistic meal appears more clearly." [GIRM 240] This is the usual form of receiving communion in the Eastern rites.

GIRM 240:
240. Holy communion has a more complete form as a sign when it is received under both kinds. For in this manner of reception a fuller light shines on the sign of the eucharistic banquet. Moreover there is a clearer expression of that will by which the new and everlasting covenant is ratified in the blood of the Lord and of the relationship of the eucharistic banquet to the eschatological banquet in the Father's kingdom.[68]

[url="http://www.adoremus.org/eucharisticummysterium.html"]Eucharisticum Mysterium[/url], Sacred Congregation of Rites, #32 (that's the 68 footnote above):
[font="Times New Roman, Times, Arial"][size="3"][b][color="#000000"]32. Communion under Both Kinds[/color][/b][/size][/font]
[font="Times New Roman, Times, Arial"][size="3"][color="#000000"]Holy Communion, considered as a sign, has a more complete form when it is received under both kinds. For under this form (leaving intact the principles of the Council of Trent,84 by which under either species there is received the true sacrament and Christ whole and entire), the sign of the Eucharistic banquet appears more perfectly. Moreover, it shows more clearly how the new and eternal Covenant is ratified in the Blood of the Lord, as it also expresses the relation of the Eucharistic banquet to the eschatological banquet in the Kingdom of the Father (cf. Matt. 26: 27-29).[/color][/size][/font]

[sixpence]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1341191868' post='2451320']
It's not an age thing at all. I was slugging that thing back when I was seven.
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[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='sixpence' timestamp='1341519111' post='2452578']

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Bahaha. I will admit I received the Blessed Sacrament with little reverence for years. My favorite food is bread and I love wine, so all I could ever think about was how tasty it was. Unfortunately I was not taught just how special it was (Or if I was I was not paying attention), so I did not treat it like it was anything special. I would receive it in Mortal sin without a second thought. Thankfully for the past year I have been much more reverent, and my heart always pumps up with excitement and joy when I go up to receive it. My sister decided this is the week I am finally going to receive it on the tongue, so I am even more excited about it than usual. I always felt like an idiot when I saw a crumb and had to lick my hand...

[BG45]

I'd not have thought about the possibility of being mistaken for a Muslim, and I say this as someone who sees people in burqas with niqab walking the streets sometimes around here.

[quote name='FutureCarmeliteClaire' timestamp='1341173638' post='2451238']
I didn't know that. No, I do not. But wow, still!
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Oh okay. And yeah, quite sad...not a big fan of His Excellency out there, or at least his ideas about Communion after reading up on it and watching videos of him refuse people on their knees the Eucharist.

[Annie12]

[quote name='BG45' timestamp='1341161095' post='2451168']

You don't happen to live in the Diocese of Orange do you? Because last I heard, Bishop Tod Brown ordered his priests not to give Communion to anyone who dared to kneel.
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Wow. Why would he be motivated to give such an order? Is this within the bounds of cannon law??? Since Jesus is truly present in the Holy Eucharist you would think he would see that he deserves deep reverence, kneeling included. (under this rule I guess I wouldn't be able to receive the Holy Eucharist since I kneel )

[PhuturePriest]

Yeah, that completely breaks the rules. I believe in Canon Law it says nobody, Bishop, Cardinal or Priest, can say people are not allowed to kneel. It does say that it is best to go with the norms of your parish, but if you feel as if this is something important to you nobody can deny you the Blessed Sacrament for kneeling. Oh, California... How can one state cause so much trouble this frequently?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Annie12' timestamp='1341524579' post='2452625']
Wow. Why would he be motivated to give such an order? Is this within the bounds of cannon law??? Since Jesus is truly present in the Holy Eucharist you would think he would see that he deserves deep reverence, kneeling included. (under this rule I guess I wouldn't be able to receive the Holy Eucharist since I kneel )
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[img]http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/cannon.jpg[/img]
cannon?

[Groo the Wanderer]

[url="http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/roman-missal/general-instruction-of-the-roman-missal/girm-chapter-4.cfm"]http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/roman-missal/general-instruction-of-the-roman-missal/girm-chapter-4.cfm[/url]

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160. The Priest then takes the paten or ciborium and approaches the communicants, who usually come up in procession.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif][size=3]
It is not permitted for the faithful to take the consecrated Bread or the sacred chalice by themselves and, still less, to hand them on from one to another among themselves. The norm established for the Dioceses of the United States of America is that Holy Communion is to be received standing, unless an individual member of the faithful wishes to receive Communion while kneeling (Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, Instruction, Redemptionis Sacramentum, March 25, 2004, no. 91).[/size][/font][/color]

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Not only is kneeling permitted, but the communicant is not to be given grief about it.[/size][/font][/color]

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1341526141' post='2452647']
[img]http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/cannon.jpg[/img]
cannon?
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For some strange reason I kind of like this interpretation of the phrase "canon law." At minimum, if it were "cannon law" instead of "canon law," people might take it more seriously.

Maybe I'm not remembering this correctly, but before MIKolbe moved East didn't he live in the Diocese of Orange? If I'm not wrong, and MiKolbe were still in CA, I can see him coming up with all kinds of inventive ways to make a statement about this very strange pronouncement by the bishop. Even if it weren't canon law, the thought of a Catholic bishop not allowing people to kneel sounds like the bishop has secretly coverted to traditional Scottish Presbyterianism.

Note to anyone who might be worried that a non-Catholic would be scandalized by these various stories and hold them against Catholicism, I've been around long enough to know this isn't the norm.

[Lil Red]

<p>[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' timestamp='1341533884' post='2452700']<br />
For some strange reason I kind of like this interpretation of the phrase &quot;canon law.&quot; At minimum, if it were &quot;cannon law&quot; instead of &quot;canon law,&quot; people might take it more seriously.<br />
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LOL maybe they would

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

EmilyAnn,

Would you keep us updated on what happens when/if you talk to the woman and when/if you talk with the priest? You've gotten me very interested on in what possibly could be going on.