Annie12 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 What if we get persecuted to a very extreme degree? For instance the health care bill and the mandate within that etc. Will we stand up and fight or will we try to obey them without going against our views? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie12 Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 What if it turns really bad and get a corrupt government which outlaws religion in the public square or even gets as bad as the holocaust? It seems unlikely/ impossible now but it also did before the Holocaust happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 [quote name='Annie12' timestamp='1340634363' post='2448645'] What if we get persecuted to a very extreme degree? For instance the health care bill and the mandate within that etc. Will we stand up and fight or will we try to obey them without going against our views? [/quote] We will be the Church. We will live as we believe. And it will hurt. Governments have tried to take over the church for 2000 years...and 'persecution' is our middle name.... Fear not, for our reward will be great in Heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Exactly. The Church says, "Been there. Done that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 As a Catholic I will willingly endure any persecution I am dealt. As an American I am appalled this is even a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 It won't get as bad as that, at least for a very long time. But if it did, we'd take courage and keep living our faith. Some people will try and obey without going against the Church, while others might make a more public example. I mean, that's what the Church in China is doing right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xTrishaxLynnx Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I see what you are saying Bisilisa; however, technically, we are already being persecuted by the attempts to make the Church submissive to the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1340644951' post='2448699'] It won't get as bad as that, at least for a very long time. But if it did, we'd take courage and keep living our faith. Some people will try and obey without going against the Church, while others might make a more public example. I mean, that's what the Church in China is doing right now. [/quote] Bishops are already talking about martyrdom by blood, and they don't make those statements flippantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xTrishaxLynnx Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1340648601' post='2448719'] Bishops are already talking about martyrdom by blood, and they don't make those statements flippantly. [/quote] Did you hear this first hand or is it something I could read? Edited June 25, 2012 by xTrishaxLynnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 [quote name='xTrishaxLynnx' timestamp='1340646581' post='2448703'] I see what you are saying Bisilisa; however, technically, we are already being persecuted by the attempts to make the Church submissive to the government. [/quote] Right, but I think it's also important to not trivialize the sufferings of those actually having to become martyrs and confessors for the faith when we talk about our current situation. Our situation is serious, but I think it's more prudent to worry about blood in the streets after those threats have actually been made. [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1340648601' post='2448719'] Bishops are already talking about martyrdom by blood, and they don't make those statements flippantly. [/quote] Sure, but I don't think they're not talking about tomorrow, next week, or sometime in the next year. It seemed to me that they're talking about this greater trend, and possible future consequences if it goes unchecked. But it doesn't do anyone any good if we freak out about being martyred right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 "Upon this rock I will build my Chuch, [i][b]and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.[/b][/i][b]"[/b] We're gonna rock and roll and take some damage -- even a lot of damage -- but this will not be the end for us. Jesus has already won this war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Preach it sista! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 [quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1340651092' post='2448739'] "Upon this rock I will build my Chuch, [i][b]and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.[/b][/i][b]"[/b] We're gonna rock and roll and take some damage -- even a lot of damage -- but this will not be the end for us. Jesus has already won this war. [/quote] Catholicism will survive for this very reason, even if we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1340649484' post='2448730'] Sure, but I don't think they're not talking about tomorrow, next week, or sometime in the next year. It seemed to me that they're talking about this greater trend, and possible future consequences if it goes unchecked. But it doesn't do anyone any good if we freak out about being martyred right now. [/quote] Catholics and other Christians are being martyred right now, yesterday, and today, all over the world. "freaking out" and being reasonably aware of the Church in the world are two different things. Will Catholics be executed by the US government in the next decade? Mmm...maybe, but probably not. Will they be martyred by extremists groups or people in the US? I think its possible, and perhaps even likely. Remember that the other side isn't going to shut up and go away even if Catholics win legal battles. "I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square". - Cardinal George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the171 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 The bishop at NCYC made that same prediction. When bishops say this, they are getting serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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