Dusty Fro Posted May 21, 2004 Author Share Posted May 21, 2004 I don't know who those people are...is that a good thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Mickey's_Girl' date='May 20 2004, 11:57 PM'] OUCH! YOU said Jim Jones and David Koresh! I didn't know they even claimed to be Christians. Ouch. [/quote] Yes, they both were to be Christians. [quote name='Dusty_Fro']I don't know who those people are...is that a good thing? [/quote]I shall impose on Winchester's good humor and state on our behalf: 'To know us is to love us.! Edited May 21, 2004 by jasJis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Jim Jones started as a protestant pastor. His first church was here in Indy. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 David Koresh was originally a christian scientist wasn't he? I didn't think they were considered christians by other christian denominations, in the same way that JW's and mormons aren't aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 (edited) OOh, OOh! Dusty Fro, See, right now I am an unofficial Catholic. (read my signature) Since my parents never brought me to Catholic Mass and never led me to receive my sacraments, then I am not an official (drum roll please) Catholic Christian. But I was baptised one. But I know that I am Catholic by desire. Its actually pretty handy right now, I am learning to debate for the Church and I am not even a full fledged honest to goodness Catholic. I can pop into other boards and debate and argue and when they ask "are you Catholic?"...well, you get the point. It is my hope to be a part of the Church one day, if it is God's Will. But right now I have made some amazing friends, who are always there to help. These folks are the best. Welcome! Peace. Quietfire Edited May 21, 2004 by Quietfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted May 21, 2004 Share Posted May 21, 2004 Baptism is all it takes to become Catholic. The other Sacraments (Confirmation and Eucharist) strengthen those ties. You [b]are[/b] one of the Family! Like the rest of us, we spend our lives learning about God, the Church, and growing in Grace through the Sacraments, and build our relationship with God. Your journey has been slowed and delayed. Baptism of Desire describes those who want to be Baptized but circumstances have prevented it. Since you were Baptized in a Catholic Church, you are as Catholic as you probably can be, while respecting the Authority of your parents. The problem is more your parents then yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Fro Posted May 21, 2004 Author Share Posted May 21, 2004 But if you have a Catholic heart, and your beliefs are Catholic, plus, you believe that Baptism brings you into the church, why aren't you a full fledged Catholic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 wow, someone is asking widdle ole me a question? Ok buddy...you asked for it!!! [quote]But if you have a Catholic heart, and your beliefs are Catholic, plus, you believe that Baptism brings you into the church, why aren't you a full fledged Catholic?[/quote] See, I just (like...right now) found that out...that I am one of the phamily and family. But I'll answer your question Dusty Fro, as best as possible. We (my sibs and I) were not raised Catholic. Never attended Mass. I went to church(s) on my own since about the age of 7 until around 16. To me (as a child) all were the same, we all worshipped the same God, same Jesus, same Holy Spirit. Just different houses and names. Nobody ever told me there was a difference. My mom is kinda like dolly parton in 'steel magnolias', " "God dont care where you go as long as you show up". So I did, every chance that I could. Then I grew up. The difference wasnt God and Jesus and The Holy Spirit, the difference was...well, us. So after some hard lessons the last few years. Like death, divorce(not mine), watching people you love get sucked into cult like beliefs, you realize that everything you believe in is crashing down around you. Either get busy living or get busy dyin'. Started going to church again, but there was always something missing. Couldnt put my finger on it, since I didnt know what IT was. Had a wonderful time, made lots of new friends but again, something was missing. My husband is Catholic, but a rather lukewarm one. My dad is Catholic, but again, a lukewarm one. It seemed everyone I knew, no matter what denomination, only went to God when they needed him. It doesnt make sense. I wanted him all the time, even on the good days. I found Phatmass only about 4 months ago. I have learned more about the Catholic Church in this short of time, then ever in my life. Before PM, I really knew nothing about Catholicism. I didnt even think twice on another board about bashing this person or faith or the next. Yeah, I tried to be careful, but the urge was SO easy. Not here, and what a relief. So why havent I finished what my parents started? In the process baby, in the process. Nothing happens overnight. I am still learning, and still debating. Its one thing to have a Catholic heart, but I dont know if my beliefs are Catholic. So far, I havent run into any problems. Now I am not saying that if the Church doesnt jibe with my beliefs then I'm outta here. No, no... usually I require clarification, and there are some things I havent quite gotten the hang of yet. It's one thing to believe in the Trinity...its another to understand it. I'm not saying that I have second thoughts, on the contrary. But I wouldnt want to go running into the church, receive my sacrament, then the eucharist and then start argueing with the priest over this and that. (although, knowing me...I would anyway...anything for a debate) Its been a long time getting here. But I really want this to be my last stop, ya know. To me, this is something that people take far too much advantage of. (being catholic) I want to remember everything. I want receive the eucharist, understanding exactly what it means and why. I want to feel everything, to sense God in every way....and I can wait. It isnt like I'm waiting for a sign. I just want to remember the experience of getting here. so that I will never take it for granted the gift given to me.(ok, now I'm crying) (thanks alot!) But its wonderful to know that I am already considered Catholic. Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. My last 4 years have been spent in a Presbyterian church. As wonderful as that was, I always knew I didnt belong there. That was a hard thing to face, to walk away from. But I knew I wasnt walking away from God. There is so much more to my story. It's kindof spread out all over Phatmass. There are a few here who know alot more about it than what I've written here on these threads. As far as being a part of the Church, like I said, I am a work in progress....with joy!!! Hope that helps. Peace. and thanks for asking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 And here I am with nothing funny to say... Richard Nixon wearing a neck weasel (Dave Barry said that was funny, and I believe him.) now i'm just trying too hard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 Woo-hoo!! I stumped Winchester, I stumped Winchester! Free tacos, so very tasty and good for you,!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 I didn't read your post. I will when I'm back from this run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daugher-of-Mary Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 [quote]Baptism is all it takes to become Catholic.[/quote] Ok, now I'm curious. Does that mean protestants with a valid Baptism are technically Catholic whether they know it or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 No, their baptism in a protestant church must surely mean that they are seperated christian brethren. I understood that the acceptance of my anglican baptism was that through it I was a christian and that my acceptance and public confirmation of the teaching of the catholic church to be the fullness of the Truth is what made me a catholic. The baptism referred to by JasJis is when a child is baptised into the catholic church but then as a result of the parents 'moving away' from the church, the child grows up having no further knowledge of the catholic church.....isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 No. Catholic baptism makes one a Catholic. What you do with your Faith after that is up to you, (and to a degree, to your parents and godparents) but one formally becomes Catholic via sacramental baptism. If one is baptized in another faith, he is not Catholic. If he wishes to become Catholic, in many (if not most) cases, the Catholic Church will recognize his original baptism as a valid baptism, but will then administer the other sacraments of initiation. Pax Christi. dUSt, I hope you don't pay Winchester for that last Nixon & the neck weasle joke. Not his best work. Ya know I love ya, Winnie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted May 22, 2004 Share Posted May 22, 2004 Anna, our posts crossed didn't they....we said the same thing, only you were much more coherent than me....it's getting late in the UK! You weren't saying 'No' to my post..... :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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