franciscanheart Posted June 15, 2012 Author Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339729281' post='2444884']Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing in Catholicism eating an entire box cookies would qualify as gluttony which is a sin ans is never permissible. Sex on the other hand is allowed in marriage, so what's wrong with saying these people are marrying because they need sex? Does that mean that's all they want or need? No, of course not, but they do need it. [/quote] You're too assumptive. Not everyone gets married because they "need" sex. And you seem to be missing the point: people don't need sex. You've been brainwashed by society. Congratulations on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1339729436' post='2444886'] You're too assumptive. Not everyone gets married because they "need" sex. And you seem to be missing the point: people don't need sex. You've been brainwashed by society. Congratulations on that. [/quote] Congratulations on being brainwashed by the Catholic Church. People do need sex. Happy mastur--er, never mind. That might be a banned word here. Laters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339729281' post='2444884'] I have no idea how anyone misread what I orginally said to begin with.[/quote] Didn't this whole line of discussion start because you said that if people who "need" sex can't have it they're liable to kill themselves? [quote]Oh look. A trap. How adorable. Avoiding...[/quote] I'm sorry that you can't handle the truth of the fact that you said something offensive about a woman you don't know anything about. [quote]Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing in Catholicism eating an entire box cookies would qualify as gluttony which is a sin ans is never permissible. Sex on the other hand is allowed in marriage, so what's wrong with saying these people are marrying because they need sex? Does that mean that's all they want or need? No, of course not, but they do need it. [/quote] Like I said, you should be clear and concise in every post. Then no one will misunderstand you. But, I still think marrying just because you "need" sex is kind of a lousy reason to get married. There should be a whole helluva lot more to it than that. If sex is your main motive it's probably not going to last long. Sex should be the culmination of all those other things combined, not the primary goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339729281' post='2444884'] Oh look. A trap. How adorable. Avoiding... [/quote] Oh look a dodge to avoid admitting you attacked the woman's character. [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339729281' post='2444884'] Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing in Catholicism eating an entire box cookies would qualify as gluttony which is a sin ans is never permissible. Sex on the other hand is allowed in marriage, so what's wrong with saying these people are marrying because they need sex? Does that mean that's all they want or need? No, of course not, but they do need it. [/quote] Again, the Human race "needs" the conjugal act to survive as a species, individual human beings however do not "need" the conjugal act or sexual gratification to survive. Edited June 15, 2012 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted June 15, 2012 Author Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339729607' post='2444887'] Congratulations on being brainwashed by the Catholic Church. People do need sex. Happy mastur--er, never mind. That might be a banned word here. Laters. [/quote] Happy masturbating? Is that what you were going for? We talk about that here, and most faithful Catholics recognize that that too is unnecessary for fulfillment, happiness and peace. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. And there are times I might even want to agree with you. But the truth is this: I do not need sex. Can the lack of sex take a toll on relationships -- with other people and with one's self? Yes! Absolutely. I understand that a bad sex life, lack of sex, etc can certainly have an affect on people. However, there are ways of working through and around that. The desire for sex is very real and often very strong. Some people do struggle more than others with sexual temptation. What I would say, however, is that in some cases, people "need" to get married and have sex with their spouse in order to avoid sinning by masturbating or fornicating. I don't think anyone has denied that some people should get married in order to REDUCE their near occasions of sin. IF HOWEVER, marriage and sex were not possible for someone, we (a good majority here) believe that they could do without and not suffer physically because of it IF THEY WERE ADDRESSING THE ISSUE. Some people actually might physically and mentally suffer, but having sex isn't always the answer. There is a lot of grace to be obtained by struggling through temptation -- especially temptation toward sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 i'd just like to point out how weird it is that for once, the topic [i]started[/i] with gay sex and has ended up talking about straight sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1339730537' post='2444891'] i'd just like to point out how weird it is that for once, the topic [i]started[/i] with gay sex and has ended up talking about straight sex. [/quote] It's a crazy world we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Actually, Biologically speaking, humans do need sex to avoid perishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339721530' post='2444808'] But you do have a sex life, correct? You people are reading way too much into what I'm saying. Just because sex is necessary for a marriage and for lovers does [i]not[/i], let me repeat this, does [size=8]not[size=4] mean[/size][/size] that nothing more than sex exists in the relationship. [/quote] [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339721758' post='2444810'] Nobody needs a hand grenade up their butt. People do need sex however. [/quote] I think you are confusing desire for need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1339751903' post='2444947'] Actually, Biologically speaking, humans do need sex to avoid perishing. [/quote] Because the human race needs sex for procreation so we don't die out as a species? That was already covered. By KoC at least twice, and I'm pretty sure a couple other people as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Im sure i can be forgiven for not having read all of KoC's posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1339787342' post='2445088'] Because the human race needs sex for procreation so we don't die out as a species? That was already covered. By KoC at least twice, and I'm pretty sure a couple other people as well. [/quote] And me. You can't forget me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1339730537' post='2444891'] i'd just like to point out how weird it is that for once, the topic [i]started[/i] with gay sex and has ended up talking about straight sex. [/quote] I think it's most amazing that it started out with gay sex, led to talking about straight sex, and ended talking about masturbation. Quite a mix of things, if I may say so myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1339730030' post='2444890'] Happy masturbating? Is that what you were going for? We talk about that here, and most faithful Catholics recognize that that too is unnecessary for fulfillment, happiness and peace. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. And there are times I might even want to agree with you. But the truth is this: I do not need sex. Can the lack of sex take a toll on relationships -- with other people and with one's self? Yes! Absolutely. I understand that a bad sex life, lack of sex, etc can certainly have an affect on people. However, there are ways of working through and around that. The desire for sex is very real and often very strong. Some people do struggle more than others with sexual temptation. What I would say, however, is that in some cases, people "need" to get married and have sex with their spouse in order to avoid sinning by masturbating or fornicating. I don't think anyone has denied that some people should get married in order to REDUCE their near occasions of sin. IF HOWEVER, marriage and sex were not possible for someone, we (a good majority here) believe that they could do without and not suffer physically because of it IF THEY WERE ADDRESSING THE ISSUE. Some people actually might physically and mentally suffer, but having sex isn't always the answer. There is a lot of grace to be obtained by struggling through temptation -- especially temptation toward sex. [/quote] I have tried living this life before myself it does not work, and is just flat out embarrassing besides. I mean telling a man twice my age that I masturbate, and how often I do it when I'm like 14, seriously? Why? And no, that he can't repeat it outside the Confessional didn't make it any less embarrassing. Once more, it didn't work, I tried everything I could think of, I got rid of vulgar music and started listening to Christian music, I prayed as often as I could, I tried working out, I tried everything for almost 10 years and [i]nothing helped[/i]. Those desires did not go away. Maybe they do for some of you here that's great, but not everyone can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 good call.. quit and give in. seems to have worked wonders for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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