r2Dtoo Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1339723087' post='2444819'] The CDC quote still doesn't say that people NEED sex. [/quote] Sure sounded like it to me. Why wouldn't you need sex? What else are you supposed to do with that tension? Even St Paul said not everyone could handle celibacy, but no one needs sex? What arse hole are you guys pulling this stuff out of? Edited June 15, 2012 by r2Dtoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339723228' post='2444821'] Sure sounded like it to me. Why wouldn't you need sex? What else are you supposed to do with that tension? Even St Paul said not everyone could handle celibacy, but no one needs sex? What arse hole are you guys pulling this stuff out of? [/quote] Look at the part you bolded, "the possibility of..." There is no statement of necessity. Sexual health doesn't just refer to having sex, but, as this same quote notes, also deals with sexuality--which is not the same thing as having sex. Sure, we all want sex, crave it, most of us have plenty of it. But it's not a need in the sense that we need food or air, or any number of other things to survive. No one has denied that not everyone is called to celibacy. No one has denied that sex is necessary for that whole "go forth and multiply" thing. If you read carefully it's been stated repeatedly that sex and intimacy are not one and the same, and that there are times when having sex is not appropriate or possible for everyone. There are times when we are called to periods of celibacy--for instance, no one should be getting nookie on the side while their spouse is deployed for 6-12 months. All that tension? Go lift some weights. Go for a run. Take a cold shower. There are a million things you could do other than just go hook up with someone or have meaningless sex. Sex is sacred. It should be treated as such. [quote][i]Sexual health[/i] is a state of physical, emotional, mental and social well-being in relation to sexuality; it is not merely the absence of disease, dysfunction or infirmity. Sexual health requires a positive and respectful approach to sexuality and sexual relationships, [b]as well as the possibility of having pleasurable and safe sexual experiences[/b], free of coercion, discrimination and violence[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1339723902' post='2444827'] Look at the part you bolded, "the possibility of..." There is no statement of necessity. Sexual health doesn't just refer to having sex, but, as this same quote notes, also deals with sexuality--which is not the same thing as having sex. Sure, we all want sex, crave it, most of us have plenty of it. But it's not a need in the sense that we need food or air, or any number of other things to survive. No one has denied that not everyone is called to celibacy. No one has denied that sex is necessary for that whole "go forth and multiply" thing. If you read carefully it's been stated repeatedly that sex and intimacy are not one and the same, and that there are times when having sex is not appropriate or possible for everyone. There are times when we are called to periods of celibacy--for instance, no one should be getting nookie on the side while their spouse is deployed for 6-12 months. All that tension? Go lift some weights. Go for a run. Take a cold shower. There are a million things you could do other than just go hook up with someone or have meaningless sex. Sex is sacred. It should be treated as such. [/quote] No one is arguing that anyone should be hooking up for meaningless sex, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 the CDC is just a government propaganda tool. remember the bird flu pandemic that wiped out 99% of the world's population a few years back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339630291' post='2444410'] It is true that not every relationship is sexual, but there are relationships that can only come from sex. Not everyone is capable of giving those up. [/quote] [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1339642255' post='2444481'] [b]That sounds more like a booty call than a relationship.[/b] [/quote] [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339724181' post='2444828'] No one is arguing that anyone should be hooking up for meaningless sex, actually. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339723102' post='2444820'] Someone apparently does not like the CDC. [/quote] I see no evidence or even a quote from the CDC that clearly states that individual human beings "need" the conjugal act or sexual gratification to survive. Edited June 15, 2012 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Yes, Icey, for the past couple of pages I've been trying to explain away the words you, lil red, and winnie have been putting in my mouth. I never once argued for booty calls or meaningless sex. You guys [i]said[/i] I did, but I said no such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339724181' post='2444828'] No one is arguing that anyone should be hooking up for meaningless sex, actually. [/quote] But you said that the woman who is married to a man that is incapable of having sex is either having an affair or is in a state of deep depression, or something of that sort. You make it seem like if you don't have sex your entire life crumbles and you have the urge to rape the nearest tree. I am in a state where my testosterone and all that are at ridiculously high levels, making my temptations very strong. However, I have never felt that my life was going to end if I didn't "release the tension". What tension? I experience no tension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339724534' post='2444833'] Yes, Icey, for the past couple of pages I've been trying to explain away the words you, lil red, and winnie have been putting in my mouth. I never once argued for booty calls or meaningless sex. You guys [i]said[/i] I did, but I said no such thing. [/quote] What you are describing still doesn't sound like a fulfilling, meaningful relationship. I never said you used those words or called it that. I said that's what the so-called-relationship you described SOUNDS like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1339724562' post='2444834'] But you said that the woman who is married to a man that is incapable of having sex is either having an affair or is in a state of deep depression, or something of that sort. You make it seem like if you don't have sex your entire life crumbles and you have the urge to rape the nearest tree.[/quote] Rape a tree? What? How is that even possible? What type of porn have you been watching? Wait, don't tell me, I don't want to know... As far as the woman, why, please tell me why, is it so wrong to acknowledge that she has sexual desires and needs that are not being met? Seriously, sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339724843' post='2444838'] As far as the woman, why, please tell me why, is it so wrong to acknowledge that she has sexual desires and needs that are not being met? Seriously, sheesh. [/quote] There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that she has desires that are not being met. There is something wrong with insinuating that she must be cheating on her husband if he's physically incapable of fulfilling those desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339724843' post='2444838'] Rape a tree? What? How is that even possible? What type of porn have you been watching? Wait, don't tell me, I don't want to know... As far as the woman, why, please tell me why, is it so wrong to acknowledge that she has sexual desires and needs that are not being met? Seriously, sheesh. [/quote] See how you say "needs"? She doesn't have "needs". She has sexual desire, but they do not need to be met. She can never have any sort of sexual pleasure again and still be 100% happy, because sexual pleasure is not what makes people happy or fulfilled in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1339724760' post='2444836'] What you are describing still doesn't sound like a fulfilling, meaningful relationship.[/quote] Acknowledging we have sexual desires that need fulfilling isn't apparently meaningful to you, for some reason. [quote]I never said you used those words or called it that. I said that's what the so-called-relationship you described SOUNDS like. [/quote] Sounds like a cop out to me.[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1339724950' post='2444839'] There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that she has desires that are not being met. There is something wrong with insinuating that she must be cheating on her husband if he's physically incapable of fulfilling those desires. [/quote] Or that she's in alot of pain, as I said. I did say either or. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339725102' post='2444843'] Or that she's in alot of pain, as I said. I did say either or. [/quote] Why is she in a lot of pain? Explain why she would be in a lot of pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1339725026' post='2444842']See how you say "needs"? She doesn't have "needs".[/quote] Oh look, the Future Priest doesn't just know what women want, he knows what they [i]need[/i]. This is why you've never had a girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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