TheoGrad07 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1339641687' post='2444478'] I know... My sister was talking about him one time and she said "orgasm", saying this is the terminology he used. I about died... [/quote] That's the kind of thing I'll say to my classroom full of high schoolers ... Hehehehe ... some of my favorite moments teaching. You should look up the canonical definition of a completed sexual act / what makes a consummated marriage ... I tried to find the reference but couldn't remember where it was. I'm pretty sure this [i]Thomist[/i] article references it, but don't have time to read the whole article (again): http://www.mycatholicfaith.org/blogs/sexualcommonsense/SmithThomist.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339630291' post='2444410']It is true that not every relationship is sexual, but there are relationships that can only come from sex. Not everyone is capable of giving those up.[/quote] so people are addicted to hooking up? and that is normal how? (psst: those aren't commonly called relationships.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1339642912' post='2444483'] so people are addicted to hooking up? and that is normal how? (psst: those aren't commonly called relationships.) [/quote][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzIN3EgBIHg[/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 so you're saying justin is the creepy guy from "Office Space" and the rest of us are looking at him like Peter, Michael and Samir are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1339640461' post='2444465'] If a horrible accident were to leave it impossible for a person to have sex, would the relationship fall apart for these dependent people? If sex is absolutely necessary for a healthy relationship to exist between two people, then there is something wrong.[/quote] Not for any relationship, but for lovers certainly there must be sex. As far as this impotence thing goes, true impotence is extremely rare, and in my opinion does not actually exist. I personally know quadriplegics who've gone have three kids. This makes sense if you know that the male erection is not dependent on nerve endings. If you have a penis it can get erect, I promise you. [quote]That's not to say sex isn't a factor – sex is extremely important in marriage. But what I'm trying to say is that it isn't [i]absolutely necessary. [/i]It shouldn't be. Intimacy is necessary. Love is necessary. But those things take many, many forms and are different from couple to couple.[/quote] Love does not require sex, but how is a couple supposed to have intimacy without sex? [quote]It might be instinctive, it might be more difficult to resist, but it's really not a different animal at all. I'll say it again: self-discipline is a skill.[/quote] There's where we have to agree to disagree. This is certainly not possible for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARRIAGE/3GETMARR.TXT by Fulton J. Sheen, Ph.D., D.D. [quote]1. The Differences Between Sex and Love Love is primarily in the will, not in the emotions or the glands. The will is like the voice; the emotions are like the echo. The pleasure associated with love, or what is today called "sex," is the frosting on the cake; its purpose is to make us love the cake, not ignore it. The greatest illusion of lovers is to believe that the intensity of their sexual attraction is the guarantee of the perpetuity of their love. It is because of this failure to distinguish between the glandular and spiritual--or between sex which we have in common with animals, and love which we have in common with God--that marriages are so full of deception. What some people love is not a person, but the experience of being in love. The first is irreplaceable; the second is not. ... There are two reasons for the primacy of sex over love in a decadent civilization. One is the [b]decline of reason[/b]. As humans give up reason, they resort to their imaginations. That is why motion pictures and picture magazines enjoy such popularity. As thinking fades, unrestrained desires come to the fore. Since physical and erotic desires are among the easiest to dwell upon, because they require no effort and because they are powerfully aided by bodily passions, sex begins to be all-important. It is by no historical accident that an age of anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, such as our own, is also an age of carnal license. The second factor is [b]egotism[/b]. As belief in a Divine Judgment, a future life, heaven and hell, a moral order, is increasingly rejected, the ego becomes more and more firmly enthroned as the source of its morality. Each person becomes a judge in his own case. With this increase of selfishness, the demands for self-satisfaction become more and more imperious, and the interests of the community and the rights of others have less and less appeal. All sin is self-centeredness, as love is otherness and relatedness. Sin is the infidelity of man to the image of what he ought to be in his eternal vocation as an adopted son of God: the image God sees in Himself when He contemplates His Word.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339643997' post='2444494'] Not for any relationship, but for lovers certainly there must be sex. As far as this impotence thing goes, true impotence is extremely rare, and in my opinion does not actually exist. I personally know quadriplegics who've gone have three kids. This makes sense if you know that the male erection is not dependent on nerve endings. If you have a penis it can get erect, I promise you.[/quote] I'm sorry, but that's just not true. I know someone personally who is now incapable of an erection and intercourse because of a work accident. And you know what? He and his wife, his lover, have been married for over 20 years. [quote]Love does not require sex, but how is a couple supposed to have intimacy without sex? [/quote] I wasn't going to go there, but OK, let's do it. Have you ever kissed someone for the first time, even innocently, and felt it all the way down in your toes (sorry, Miles, but this stuff is important )? Or have you held someone's hand and felt incredible joy? Or how about this: have you ever held a woman in your arms and realized that it's the most right feeling in the world, just to be with them? Hell, have you ever exchanged a look with a good friend and known exactly what they were feeling without saying a word? All of that is intimacy. That stuff is what being intimate is all about. Not sex. It's not even about touch. Love,[i] real [/i]love, is a hell of a lot deeper and more complex than hands on skin, and any couple worth their salt understands that making love is not and never will be necessary for [i]expressing [/i]love. [quote]There's where we have to agree to disagree. This is certainly not possible for everyone. [/quote] Fair enough. I'm razzle dazzle with disagreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Ok Adrestia, I'm going to quote the part that I believe to be the most relevant, but if I missed anything let me know. [quote]The greatest illusion of lovers is to believe that the intensity of their sexual attraction is the guarantee of the perpetuity of their love.[/quote] Well no, sexual attraction does not guarantee that love will last, or that it exist in the relationship in the first place. This does not mean you can throw the baby out with the bathwater, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1339645595' post='2444503'] I'm sorry, but that's just not true. I know someone personally who is now incapable of an erection and intercourse because of a work accident. And you know what? He and his wife, his lover, have been married for over 20 years.[/quote] He can get an erection he just doesn't know how. As for his wife I feel sorry for her. She's either sleeping with someone else or is in alot pain. [quote]I wasn't going to go there, but OK, let's do it. Have you ever kissed someone for the first time, even innocently, and felt it all the way down in your toes (sorry, Miles, but this stuff is important )? Or have you held someone's hand and felt incredible joy? Or how about this: have you ever held a woman in your arms and realized that it's the most right feeling in the world, just to be with them? Hell, have you ever exchanged a look with a good friend and known exactly what they were feeling without saying a word? All of that is intimacy. That stuff is what being intimate is all about. Not sex. It's not even about touch. Love,[i] real [/i]love, is a hell of a lot deeper and more complex than hands on skin, and any couple worth their salt understands that making love is not and never will be necessary for [i]expressing [/i]love.[/quote] All of which will eventually lead to sex if the relationship is to continue to move forward. Of course intimacy is more than just sex, but trying to say that the two can be permanently separated is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339646168' post='2444510']He can get an erection he just doesn't know how. As for his wife I feel sorry for her. She's either sleeping with someone else or is in alot pain.[/quote] seriously? i'd say more, but afraid i can't without warning myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339646168' post='2444510'] He can get an erection he just doesn't know how. As for his wife I feel sorry for her. She's either sleeping with someone else or is in alot pain. All of which will eventually lead to sex if the relationship is to continue to move forward. Of course intimacy is more than just sex, but trying to say that the two can be permanently separated is laughable. [/quote] Seriously? He doesn't know how? As a fellow man you should know it's not something you "learn", it just happens. My goodness... I'm not even going to comment on that seriously offensive and insensitive thing you said about his wife. I think you have a tainted view of marriage and love. Are you saying you wouldn't marry the woman you love more than anything else in the world just because you would not be able to have sex? If so you are focusing more on lust than on love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339638347' post='2444452'] Just because a relationship is dependent on sex does not mean it's all about sex. [/quote] That makes absolutely no sense. The relationshop is dependeant on sex. So then, if the sex goes, then so goes the relationship. If this not true, then what is it all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339643997' post='2444494'] Not for any relationship, but for lovers certainly there must be sex. As far as this impotence thing goes, true impotence is extremely rare, and in my opinion does not actually exist. I personally know quadriplegics who've gone have three kids. This makes sense if you know that the male erection is not dependent on nerve endings. If you have a penis it can get erect, I promise you. Love does not require sex, but how is a couple supposed to have intimacy without sex? There's where we have to agree to disagree. This is certainly not possible for everyone. [/quote] Wow. You really are clueless. I highly recommend you read this document from the Pontifical Council for the Family. And please read with a open-mind and open-heart. [url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/family/documents/rc_pc_family_doc_08121995_human-sexuality_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/family/documents/rc_pc_family_doc_08121995_human-sexuality_en.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339643997' post='2444494'] Not for any relationship, but for lovers certainly there must be sex. As far as this impotence thing goes, true impotence is extremely rare, and in my opinion does not actually exist. I personally know quadriplegics who've gone have three kids. This makes sense if you know that the male erection is not dependent on nerve endings. If you have a penis it can get erect, I promise you. Love does not require sex, but how is a couple supposed to have intimacy without sex? There's where we have to agree to disagree. This is certainly not possible for everyone. [/quote] I'm pretty sure you never read the entire post. The couple does have a sex life. It's more than a story about how a gay guy can get it up for a woman. It's an example of recognizing that yourself and others are more than your respective genitalia and associated titillation. If you did, are an adult, then I feel bad that you're compensating after being rejected for a fresh set of batteries. No matter what your ex said to you, it isn't true that love and intimacy in a relationship requires sexual performance. Is sex in a relationship helpful, beneficial, important, wonderful... Yes. An absolute requirement? Only in a shallow relationship that isn’t really intimate at all. Edited June 14, 2012 by Anomaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Don't feed the troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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