arfink Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Wait, there are suddenly a whole lot of people who physically cannot live celibate lives now? Fascinating. Let me ask you a question: are you having sex with someone right now, at this very moment? Would you just suddenly drop your duds at the bus stop because you just couldn't control yourself? Sure, I'll buy that there are some people who are so messed up inside that they cannot resist the opportunity to have sex, just as I am sure there are people who are so addicted to crack/alcohol/whatever that they can't resist either. But we know that's not the norm, and we treat it as such. We don't want to actively encourage people to act that way, because it's obviously disordered. It's why the Church can legitimately ask her people to master their desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1339553481' post='2444161']Exactly. It's not just about arousal but about pleasure. If something feels good you're going to be aroused whether you are attracted or not. However, I just about died when I wrote that, so that's all I am going to say for the subject at the moment. [/quote]I don't think that TheoGrad or Mr. Weed meant to say it's about pleasure, but about intimacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1339532700' post='2444026'] Wow. A very brave [s]post[/s] novel. And I suspect there are more like him than we know. [/quote] Yeah. tl;dr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339554340' post='2444166'] You raise several good points, but doing things the abnormal way here can lead to depression, drug use, homelessness and suicide. It's really not that easy being a GLBT youth in America. I don't know why so many think it is. [/quote] Where did ANYONE say it's easy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1339600963' post='2444276'] Where did ANYONE say it's easy? [/quote]The positive use of sexuality is rarely if ever easy for people, no matter their sexual orientation or position in life. The Church constantly calls us to something higher than base animal sexuality, but I have yet to hear anyone reasonable describe this as an easy calling. I completely agree with you... Where did anyone even suggest that dealing with same-sex attractions, or even sexual attractions in general is easy? Rarely is it so, though fortunately grace aids greatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Not sure how I feel about that. I guess if it's working out for this guy, that's great, but I would hardly recommend this as an alternative to chastity for SSA individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1339605950' post='2444298'] Not sure how I feel about that. I guess if it's working out for this guy, that's great, but I would hardly recommend this as an alternative to chastity for SSA individuals. [/quote] Right, and he definitely addresses that this won't work for everyone and he understands not everyone will even WANT this. Also, I think chastity might be the wrong word -- or just not the best one; perhaps "celibacy" is better. Or maybe you meant chastity for reasons I haven't assumed. [shrug] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 [quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1339606422' post='2444300']Also, I think chastity might be the wrong word -- or just not the best one; perhaps "celibacy" is better. Or maybe you meant chastity for reasons I haven't assumed. [shrug] [/quote] I guess you're right...though I'd suppose that in most cases with SSA that the terms would be synonymous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1339606511' post='2444302'] I guess you're right...though I'd suppose that in most cases with SSA that the terms would be synonymous? [/quote] Yeah, I guess that's a fair supposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1339606511' post='2444302']I guess you're right...though I'd suppose that in most cases with SSA that the terms would be synonymous? [/quote]Chastity is the virtue of living out our sexuality in accord with our present state of life. All people are called to chastity. Even in marriage I am supposed to act chastely toward my wife. That means that this story is a prime example of chastity, not an alternative to it. Celibacy is the renunciation of sexual intercourse alone. I think that it would be most proper to say that this is an alternative to celibacy and a wonderful example of chastity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I was about to get defensive about knowing what the terms meant, but then I reread my original post and could see how it wasn't very well written. I guess that's what I get for posting first thing after I've woken up. (doh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1339558633' post='2444185'] Why do you assume its "abnormal" to make a conscious decision to live as a married couple to raise a family? We are not slaves to our passions, as if we have no control of our genitals. [/quote] Um, where did I say that? Actually, I said the opposite was abnormal. Why would anyone say marrying and raising a family was abnormal? I could make comments about the motivations of this bandwagon that you started, but I'll refrain. [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1339558769' post='2444186'] Seriously you will not die from lack of sex, but you could die from lack of relationships, they are not the same thing, please do not confuse the two. [/quote] It is true that not every relationship is sexual, but there are relationships that can only come from sex. Not everyone is capable of giving those up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1339630291' post='2444410'] It is true that not every relationship is sexual, but there are relationships that can only come from sex. [b]Not everyone is capable of giving those up.[/b] [/quote] People that are incapable can become capable. Virtue and discipline are skills that can be honed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan d'Alexandre Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Wow. Great post. Though as previously stated, IMHO this guy's situation is unique. There are definitely some Christians who would take this the wrong way & hold it up as the standard for all Christian gay men. I think he's got a pretty solid view of sex and its place in family life/relationships as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwxLzLBV2YQ[/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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