Lilllabettt Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 It's unfortunate that the daughter had to suffer and be embarrassed by her Mom's bad behavior. But I have a hunch that this is not the first time that has happened to her in her young life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClareOfAssisi Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 If we're going to make all these assumptions about the character of the mom or her intentions, can we not assume the best instead of immediately believing the worst? And who has never been embarrassed by their parents? Who has never accidentally done something socially unacceptable or embarrassing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) I don't think this was an accident. Some people break the rules because they forget, or their emotions overwhelm them, etc. Other people break rules with chilled deliberation, because they view the consequences as "worth it." My hunch is, and it is only a hunch, that Mom is #2. My Mom was like that, I have nannied kids like that, I have taught students like that. They are okay with getting lunch detention because what they get for breaking the rule (social win, thrill of defiance, whatever) is "worth it" to them. Long-term the solution is to build a relationship and leverage that - but in the immediate moment, the only choice is to double down. Edited June 12, 2012 by Lilllabettt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1339530307' post='2444012'] It's unfortunate that the daughter had to suffer and be embarrassed by her Mom's bad behavior. But I have a hunch that this is not the first time that has happened to her in her young life. [/quote] And not her last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='ClareOfAssisi' timestamp='1339530758' post='2444013'] If we're going to make all these assumptions about the character of the mom or her intentions, can we not assume the best instead of immediately believing the worst? And who has never been embarrassed by their parents? Who has never accidentally done something socially unacceptable or embarrassing? [/quote] Have you ever attended one of these ceremonies? It is well known what the conduct is supposed to be regarding hootin and hoolerin. The article stated this woman knew, yet did it anyway. For that, I will not give her an allowance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClareOfAssisi Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1339531195' post='2444016'] I don't think this was an accident. Some people break the rules because they forget, or their emotions overwhelm them, etc. Other people break rules with chilled deliberation, because they view the consequences as "worth it." My hunch is, and it is only a hunch, that Mom is #2. My Mom was like that, I have nannied kids like that, I have taught students like that. They are okay with getting lunch detention because what they get for breaking the rule (social win, thrill of defiance, whatever) is "worth it" to them. Long-term the solution is to build a relationship and leverage that - but in the immediate moment, the only choice is to double down. [/quote] I understand what you are saying... and I know that there are people like that. However, I just don't think it's right to believe that about her with no proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClareOfAssisi Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1339531489' post='2444020'] Have you ever attended one of these ceremonies? It is well known what the conduct is supposed to be regarding hootin and hoolerin. The article stated this woman knew, yet did it anyway. For that, I will not give her an allowance. [/quote] Yes, I have attended graduations (mostly my own ) and I would prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt. To be honest, I'm more than a little bit iffy about people making negative assumptions about the characters of others based on media reports (often biased in one way or the other). This is based on my own personal experience. Let's try to give her the benefit of the doubt and stop attacking her character. How would you feel if you had complete strangers making comments like this about you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='ClareOfAssisi' timestamp='1339532563' post='2444024'] Yes, I have attended graduations (mostly my own ) and I would prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt. To be honest, I'm more than a little bit iffy about people making negative assumptions about the characters of others based on media reports (often biased in one way or the other). This is based on my own personal experience. Let's try to give her the benefit of the doubt and stop attacking her character. How would you feel if you had complete strangers making comments like this about you? [/quote] Please show me how I attacked her character? Again, the article stated this woman knew the rule about no cheering, yet she freely chose to cheer anyway. If this is true, I find very hard to give this woman the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClareOfAssisi Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1339532834' post='2444027'] Please show me how I attacked her character? Again, the article stated this woman knew the rule about no cheering, yet she freely chose to cheer anyway. If this is true, I find very hard to give this woman the benefit of the doubt. [/quote] I wasn't referring to you specifically, Papist. I'm sorry I gave you the wrong impression. Okay, that is your choice then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) [quote name='ClareOfAssisi' timestamp='1339532563' post='2444024'] Yes, I have attended graduations (mostly my own ) and I would prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt. To be honest, I'm more than a little bit iffy about people making negative assumptions about the characters of others based on media reports (often biased in one way or the other). This is based on my own personal experience. Let's try to give her the benefit of the doubt and stop attacking her character. How would you feel if you had complete strangers making comments like this about you? [/quote]Okay, let's break it down. We have two parties that we are judging their characters based on the little we know of the persons and their actions and the circumstances. Mom - Stated she knew she was going to be ejected for the behavior she chose. We don't know how long, loud, or vocal her disruptive outburst was. We don't know how disruptive her decision to get up and leave may have been (ever leave in the middle of a speech, lecture, mass, when you're in the middle of the row with narrow aisles? Mom was publically humiliated as a consequence of her publically disruptive behavior. Mom agrees to and participated in new interviews and allows pictures to be posted in the papers, escalating the 'publicity' of her previous disuptive behavior. Mom was an individual who's personal desires in the actions she chose had little regard for others. I don't believe for a second she was overcome with emotion and 'couldn't help herself'. Security - Ejected an adult that publically violated the rules of behavior that were made known would be forced with ejection. Security escorted her out via the student seating. We don't know there or wasn't there an alternative route. Security were trained law enforcement personnel with the duty to protect the group from the disruption of an individual. The securtiy did not tase or 'take her down'. Rational and sane people are unlikely to succomb to an outburst in public (barring Turrets) and then continue the attention attraction by standing up and leaving during a cermony. Based on my succint and unbiased evaluation, Mom butthatted, security 'may' have contributed to the butthattery. Mom should be sentenced to ten hours as a Wal-Mart return cashier, with 15 minutes added for every customer that complains about her service. The security personnel involved should be sentenced to 2 days as lunch room monitors at the local middle school with lima beans and carrots a mandatory part of the menu on each day. No additional time penalized for failure to maintain order. Edited June 12, 2012 by Anomaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1339534024' post='2444034'] Security - Ejected an adult that publically violated the rules of behavior that were made known would be forced with ejection. Security escorted her out via the student seating. We don't know there or wasn't there an alternative route. Security were trained law enforcement personnel with the duty to protect the group from the disruption of an individual. The securtiy did not tase, handcuff, or 'take her down'. [/quote] Just to clarify, according to the original article they did handcuff her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1339534435' post='2444037'] Just to clarify, according to the original article they did handcuff her. [/quote]Duly noted and corrected MissProofreader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 The video with the story has the mother saying that even though she *knew* they did not want people to cheer, she disagreed with that and deliberately decided to cheer anyway because she wanted to. It was not a moment of emotional outburst. She planned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Seems the consequences of an anything goes, it's all good, hippy revolution, is...wait for it... zero tollerance. i read only 17% of u.s. citezens vote on average , so really how is the government to know what is right and what is wrong to the people. I will pray that more people choose to vote in your nation. I believe that would help somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye' timestamp='1339536607' post='2444048'] Seems the consequences of an anything goes, it's all good, hippy revolution, is...wait for it... zero tollerance. i read only 17% of u.s. citezens vote on average , so really how is the government to know what is right and what is wrong to the people. I will pray that more people choose to vote in your nation and write letters/emails to the government and hold peacefull protests. I believe that would help somewhat. [/quote] P.s. But i suppose and i don't know this, that maybe 17% of the capital cities of each state in your nation are illegal aliens, so over all you reduce that 100% of citizens to 83% than the 17% voters looks a little healthier. There is alot of pressure to make informed votes now in australia, i think where going to see a drop in voters due to this, people now days seem to wan't maximum benefit for the least effort in the least amount of time and because all the political parties have changed there core beliefs slightly or greatly over the last 30 odd years we do need to research what they all really do rep now,locally,stately and nationaly, it really should be a subject @ school thats done maybe once a week from when the children turn lets say 13, i say 13 because in australia you can legally blow off school @ 15 and 9 months and start working or do an apprenticiship. Edited June 12, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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