ThePenciledOne Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='ClareOfAssisi' timestamp='1339518850' post='2443933'] Here in South Africa, black parents often ululate loudly when their kids graduate (whether highschool or varsity). I find it sweet. Yes, they were warned beforehand not to do that but, seriously, arrested and escorted out in front of the whole school? That is beyond ridiculous. Cheering a little for your daughter (because you're happy for her) isn't the same as acting in a rude or obnoxious way throughout the ceremony. At the very most, I think all the needed to do is have someone go over to her and ask her to remain silent for the duration of the ceremony. It would only warrant being escorted out of the building (discreetly) if she continued. Arresting her is ridiculous. [/quote] exactly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='ClareOfAssisi' timestamp='1339518850' post='2443933'] Here in South Africa, black parents often ululate loudly when their kids graduate (whether highschool or varsity). I find it sweet. Yes, they were warned beforehand not to do that but, seriously, arrested and escorted out in front of the whole school? That is beyond ridiculous. Cheering a little for your daughter (because you're happy for her) isn't the same as acting in a rude or obnoxious way throughout the ceremony. At the very most, I think all the needed to do is have someone go over to her and ask her to remain silent for the duration of the ceremony. It would only warrant being escorted out of the building (discreetly) if she continued. Arresting her is ridiculous. [/quote] You were not there. Light clapping is one thing, but if she was arrested in all likelihood what she did was way over the top. The same thing happened at my own graduation. You can't hear the names of other students being called, it is a loss of decorum, and if it becomes an arrestable defense she obviously had a superiority complex that she and her child were the only ones that mattered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClareOfAssisi Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1339520662' post='2443940'] she obviously had a superiority complex that she and her child were the only ones that mattered. [/quote] You also weren't there. I don't think its fair to assume she was acting like a hooligan either. I'm going off the information in the news report (which I know may be biased). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) And of course it is also reasonable to embarrass for the authorites to embarrass the mother and daughter in front of everyone,..Glad we arrest housewives now, I mean they are the real criminals..... Honestly, if we are going to follow a rule fine, but to have it blown up to such an event like this is ridiculous. Sure it's just a 'high school graduation', but the amount of repercussion over this was the equivilient to an assult or whatever...if people find this sort of repercussion permissable then I don't think we should be getting bent out of shape in the other ways soceity is trying to inpinge on us currently, since obviously we think this situation is fine. Edited June 12, 2012 by ThePenciledOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1339521466' post='2443943'] And of course it is also reasonable to embarrass for the authorites to embarrass the mother and daughter in front of everyone,..Glad we arrest housewives now, I mean they are the real criminals..... Honestly, if we are going to follow a rule fine, but to have it blown up to such an event like this is ridiculous. Sure it's just a 'high school graduation', but the amount of repercussion over this was the equivilient to an assult or whatever...if people find this sort of repercussion permissable then I don't think we should be getting bent out of shape in the other ways soceity is trying to inpinge on us currently, since obviously we think this situation is fine. [/quote] Being a housewife has nothing to do with anything. If she acted in a criminal manner then she got what she had coming to her. Actions have consequences, especially when you are deliberately belligerent despite knowing the rules. Maybe it would have been better to simply stop the graduation and throw her out than arrest her. We don't know. It's like Cappie's story - it sounds completely atrocious to give a priest 30 hours of community service for ringing the church bells until you learn more about how far he took it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1339512940' post='2443895'] That is ridiculous. What happened to rules serving humanity, instead of humanity serving the rules/laws? Total phooie, though I wanna use stronger language than that. [/quote] The rules do serve humanity here-- the 99% of people who kept their mouths shut. It is not a private event. For the benefit of everyone, people are asked to remain quiet. Some people choose to ignore the rules that *benefit the whole* because they don't give a croutons about anyone but themselves. [quote name='ClareOfAssisi' timestamp='1339521163' post='2443941'] You also weren't there. I don't think its fair to assume she was acting like a hooligan either. I'm going off the information in the news report (which I know may be biased). [/quote] [quote] but Shannon Cooper couldn't resist cheering [/quote] Cheering is not quiet clapping-- it's shouting. She was shouting at an event where shouting is inappropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 is this a flooping national news story? really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 [quote name='ThePenciledOne' timestamp='1339521466' post='2443943'] And of course it is also reasonable to embarrass for the authorites to embarrass the mother and daughter in front of everyone,..Glad we arrest housewives now, I mean they are the real criminals..... Honestly, if we are going to follow a rule fine, but to have it blown up to such an event like this is ridiculous. Sure it's just a 'high school graduation', but the amount of repercussion over this was the equivilient to an assult or whatever...if people find this sort of repercussion permissable then I don't think we should be getting bent out of shape in the other ways soceity is trying to inpinge on us currently, since obviously we think this situation is fine. [/quote]Of course, you give plenty of excuses for the adult mother who knew the rules and chose to violate them. She knew herself she chose to vocally disrespect every other person there who was graduating and wanted their families to hear their name and see them get their diplomas. She chose to disrespect every other family member there who wanted to be treated with the respect they were affording others. She chose to assault the dignity and respect of every other polite person there. She was a distraction to the persons and their families who were near her, and immediately followed after her daughter in the line of graduates. Do you really believe a person who had this much disregard towards others really was leaving quietly and didn't protest and defend herself if questioned when she got up and started leaving? She just 'couldn't resist' butthattery behavior by cheering and thought it would be okay to then get up to exit after her darling got her dipoloma. Do you know how the seating was set up? Do you know how big a room or building it was? Was there aisles and exits that she could leave unobtrusively without causing a further disturbance? Note the stories said she was escorted out through the student seating. I doubt it likely the security did so just to be more disruptive, there probably wasn't a more discrete option. The mom demonstrated extremely selfish behavior with complete disregard for politeness or respect for the other graduates and attendees. Personally, I would have wanted to tase her if her rude and boorish behavior disrupted my daughter receiving her diploma. Mom could have chosen to behave as well as the other children, students, and adults without an attention grabbing disruptive display of uncivility that was more about disrepecting others then respecting the accomplishment of her daughter. Way to go, mom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I wish I could prop that twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenciledOne Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Well it's all croutons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClareOfAssisi Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Yes, she should not have cheered but it may have been done "in the heat of the moment" due to her feelings of happiness for her child. I really don't see why she is being labelled here as, among other things, having a "superiority complex," not caring about anyone but herself, or being deliberately rude, boorish and disrespectful. None of us can possibly know that about her character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 People who act like that at graduations are, more often than not, not very used to going to graduations. It's really annoying to those of us who have been there, done that, bought the t-shirt; but I don't think a person's graduation day should be hurt because his or her family is ignorant. That being said, I was first person to BMC when folks were hollering during my brother's law school graduation. My brother reminded me that many of those who received the loud cheering were the first in their family to even attend college, much less graduate from a law school. Their families really didn't know any better. Yeah they were told. So what? It's like speeding - most people ignore the speed limit unless the specific jurisdiction has a reputation for enforcing it or unless they see a cop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I have to disagree with a lot of people here, she shouldn't of gone to jail for that. I don't know how your commencement went, but when I graduated, none of the students were bothered with the cheering, in fact, some of the kids acknowledged if they heard their name from the stands with a wave or whatever. I honestly can't remember if the attendance was asked to hold their applause or not, but if they were, I'm not surprised if whoever asked that thunk to themselves "yeah, right." And to give that mother's daughter a bad memory for a ceremony that celebrated HER achievement?.. no I can't agree that this was right at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I think it's also important to remember that it's not as if the principle had made a quick announcement right before he started reading names. Families were notified well in advance of the school's "applaud at the end" policy, AND informed that anyone who broke the rule would be forced to leave. I could see if someone had only made a quick request right before the conferring of degrees, then they could use the excuse that they got caught up in the excitement when they broke the rule. But that's not the case. I do agree that arresting her was probably too much, but the school informed everyone of the consequences well in advance. Maybe they have such a harsh rule in place because they've had problems with people not taking graduation seriously in the past. Who knows what might have prompted the rule. But regardless, everyone knew what would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 She knew there would be a consequence for hootin and hollerin. She hooted and hollered. She received a consequence. She chose to break the rule. She cannot be upset b/c she wasn't able to choose the consequence. She and she alone could have prevented all of this drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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