PhuturePriest Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1339026903' post='2441978'] You should probably refrain from talking smack about teachers. [/quote] I'm not talking smack about teachers. I'm simply saying they shouldn't be treated special just because they are teachers. If we should pay them so much and give them so many benefits than we should do the same for Priests. They have a much harder job and they get paid very little. In my diocese it is $16,000 a year per Priest. If we should pay people a lot because they teach we should begin with the people that teach the most important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1339022905' post='2441949'] I honestly haven't seen one political commercial all year, even when there was the primary in Kansas. I'm simply blessed to be watching TBS, EWTN and Fox Kansas most of the time so I miss all of the annoying ads. I honestly have never seen a political ad and then went "That's my kind of candidate right there!" Political ads to me are simply weird. [/quote] I haven't seen any, either. I don't really watch TV. But they had them on the radio for the Wisconsin stuff. I live near the boarder of Wisconsin, so I got stuck hearing all their commercials. I hate political commercials. And politics in general... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1339030362' post='2442000'] I'm not talking smack about teachers. I'm simply saying they shouldn't be treated special just because they are teachers. If we should pay them so much and give them so many benefits than we should do the same for Priests. They have a much harder job and they get paid very little. In my diocese it is $16,000 a year per Priest. If we should pay people a lot because they teach we should begin with the people that teach the most important thing. [/quote] Teachers get paid poo. Don't know what fantasy world you live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1339030362' post='2442000'] I'm not talking smack about teachers. I'm simply saying they shouldn't be treated special just because they are teachers. If we should pay them so much and give them so many benefits than we should do the same for Priests. They have a much harder job and they get paid very little. In my diocese it is $16,000 a year per Priest. If we should pay people a lot because they teach we should begin with the people that teach the most important thing. [/quote] Dude, priests make promises of poverty (or vows, if they are religious). Teachers often have families, sometimes with multiple kids to support. That argument is totally incongruous. Also, I'd go easy with the "harder job/easier job" stuff. It might look like teachers work 35 hour weeks, but that doesn't include things like commute time, lesson planning, homework grading, parent/teacher conferences, or any other non-essential functions like sponsoring clubs or activities or coaching a sport, tutoring students one-on-one, et cetera. Put all that stuff together and you're easily looking at 10, if not 12 hour days. And as far working in the sun derserving higher pay because it's more physically taxing, I'm hiking up the BS flag on that one. Salaries for professions are determined on a number of factors, particularly the investment (of time, effort, and money) that it's taken to acquire the skill set necessary for the position (look at the salaries of doctors). My not distant ancestors were coal miners, and they had a saying: "It's easy to mine coal. All you need is a strong back and a weak mind." While I'm sure the job your father does is physically demanding and probably fulfills a necessary role in society, it must not require a terribly advanced skill set nor must it be terribly dangerous, as compensation and difficulty and danger are directly related. If it is, however, dangerous, difficult, and he's still making an unfairly inadequate amount, then that's why there are unions. But, of course, we've determined that they're unnecessary, so that must not be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 In regards to the topic at hand, the only way I know about the whole Scott Walker thing is because that's what I got to watch Sean Hannity and later Greta talk about for several hours in a waiting room a couple nights ago. I confess that I am woefully underinformed on upper Midwestern state politics, riveting though they be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1339030362' post='2442000'] I'm not talking smack about teachers. I'm simply saying they shouldn't be treated special just because they are teachers. If we should pay them so much and give them so many benefits than we should do the same for Priests. They have a much harder job and they get paid very little. In my diocese it is $16,000 a year per Priest. If we should pay people a lot because they teach we should begin with the people that teach the most important thing. [/quote] If you want priests to be paid more, than people better start giving more money to the church... Catholic school teachers get paid diddly squat, too, and they often have families to support... And, really, I wouldn't shoot my mouth off about teachers...in this day and age, they can be putting their life on the line just walking into some of the schools out there... [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1339047921' post='2442097'] In regards to the topic at hand, the only way I know about the whole Scott Walker thing is because that's what I got to watch Sean Hannity and later Greta talk about for several hours in a waiting room a couple nights ago. I confess that I am woefully underinformed on upper Midwestern state politics, riveting though they be. [/quote] It's really not that riveting. I am just glad it's done with. To quote my cousin, "There, he's been elected twice. Get over it and move on!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 [quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1339048189' post='2442099'] It's really not that riveting. I am just glad it's done with. To quote my cousin, "There, he's been elected twice. Get over it and move on!" [/quote] Maybe they shouldn't pay teachers out there more, given how thick that sarcasm was laid on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1339049267' post='2442102'] Maybe they shouldn't pay teachers out there more, given how thick that sarcasm was laid on. [/quote] Oh, I knew you were being sarcastic about it being riveting. I just wanted an excuse to use the smiley in regards to politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 WHATEVA HONEH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Well I was going to say something but USairways and MS made it completely unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1339047747' post='2442095'] Dude, priests make promises of poverty (or vows, if they are religious). Teachers often have families, sometimes with multiple kids to support. That argument is totally incongruous. Also, I'd go easy with the "harder job/easier job" stuff. It might look like teachers work 35 hour weeks, but that doesn't include things like commute time, lesson planning, homework grading, parent/teacher conferences, or any other non-essential functions like sponsoring clubs or activities or coaching a sport, tutoring students one-on-one, et cetera. Put all that stuff together and you're easily looking at 10, if not 12 hour days. And as far working in the sun derserving higher pay because it's more physically taxing, I'm hiking up the BS flag on that one. Salaries for professions are determined on a number of factors, particularly the investment (of time, effort, and money) that it's taken to acquire the skill set necessary for the position (look at the salaries of doctors). My not distant ancestors were coal miners, and they had a saying: "It's easy to mine coal. All you need is a strong back and a weak mind." While I'm sure the job your father does is physically demanding and probably fulfills a necessary role in society, it must not require a terribly advanced skill set nor must it be terribly dangerous, as compensation and difficulty and danger are directly related. If it is, however, dangerous, difficult, and he's still making an unfairly inadequate amount, then that's why there are unions. But, of course, we've determined that they're unnecessary, so that must not be the case. [/quote] I was actually going to add that Priests live alone so they don't have to be paid as much, but sixteen thousand dollars a year is pretty low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1339086984' post='2442191']sixteen thousand dollars a year is pretty low. [/quote] [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1339047747' post='2442095'] promises of poverty [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1339088362' post='2442196'] [/quote] There are no "promises" of poverty. As my spiritual director says: "Religious communities promise poverty, the diocese assures it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1339088481' post='2442197'] There are no "promises" of poverty. As my spiritual director says: "Religious communities promise poverty, the diocese assures it." [/quote] Diocesan priests promise to lead a simple life. By not promising or vowing poverty they are allowed to own cars, etc., which is mighty handy when they're obliged to drive around town on their own visiting their flock who happen to be housebound or in the hospital. Teachers don't make that sort of promise or vow, but a whole freaking lot of them live that way all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1339093290' post='2442218'] Diocesan priests promise to lead a simple life. By not promising or vowing poverty they are allowed to own cars, etc., which is mighty handy when they're obliged to drive around town on their own visiting their flock who happen to be housebound or in the hospital. Teachers don't make that sort of promise or vow, but a whole freaking lot of them live that way all the same. [/quote] In my town the teachers are loaded. This is simply the way things are around here. It may not reflect the way things are elsewhere, but the teachers here are far more wealthy than the average person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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