Winchester Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1338937996' post='2441502'] Extra-curricular activities never killed anyone. [/quote] http://abcnews.go.com/Health/high-school-football-player-dies-sixth-athlete-death/story?id=14442856[img]http://www.zport.com/box/boxrocks.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I support the Monarchy for the following reasons 1-Having my forces invade and hold the United Kingdom would entail a fair deal of logistical planning at a point in my life when I really don't have the time to give such planning the attention that is deserves. 2-I'd prefer not to count the Irish or Scottish amongst my subjects, for obvious reasons. 3-So long as Elizabeth continues to pay me tribute there is really no reason to sack the country and absorb the economic dysfunction currently plaguing the island. So long as the Royals continue to be pliable to my will see no reason to abolish them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1338937743' post='2441500'] [img]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1100000/images/_1104617_charles300.jpg[/img] He obviously likes to spend time outside with Camilla. [/quote] What exactly are you insinuating, sir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximillion Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I'm sorry if I offended anyone's sensibilities....I did say 'almost'. Do I think we would be better off in the UK without the Monarchy, yes. I do. That is my opinion and I make no apology for it. That the accident of birth confers on one person such privilege is anachronistic in our 21st C. Okay, she has not gone out and bayoneted the innocents, but she hasn't exactly promoted social equality has she? Her constitutional position is very useful for hiding behind, IMO. It will be interesting to see what happens when she does die. Charles, if he has an ounce of gumption, won't do what his mum has done, but will abdicate. By then we might have a Monarch who is prepared to give up their own position, the cost to tax payers and someone who will help restore social justice....I pray - HARD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='maximillion' timestamp='1338972559' post='2441685'] I'm sorry if I offended anyone's sensibilities....I did say 'almost'. Do I think we would be better off in the UK without the Monarchy, yes. I do. That is my opinion and I make no apology for it. That the accident of birth confers on one person such privilege is anachronistic in our 21st C. Okay, she has not gone out and bayoneted the innocents, but she hasn't exactly promoted social equality has she? Her constitutional position is very useful for hiding behind, IMO. It will be interesting to see what happens when she does die. Charles, if he has an ounce of gumption, won't do what his mum has done, but will abdicate. By then we might have a Monarch who is prepared to give up their own position, the cost to tax payers and someone who will help restore social justice....I pray - HARD. [/quote] I think it would be a sad day for England if it happens. I would rather have a monarch like the Queen, a person brought up to the job who has values, then the de-facto what passes for royalty in the U.S. Fools here look to rock stars, rap gangsters, and political dynasties like the Kennedys because we don't have any figureheads. We rally around trash. I don't pretend to love her ancestors, but I'd keep her in a heartbeat. Even Charles and Harry are heads up better than what we have here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximillion Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote] [color=#282828]I think it would be a sad day for England if it happens. I would rather have a monarch like the Queen, a person brought up to the job who has values, then the de-facto what passes for royalty in the U.S. Fools here look to rock stars, rap gangsters, and political dynasties like the Kennedys because we don't have any figureheads. We rally around trash. I don't pretend to love her ancestors, but I'd keep her in a heartbeat. Even Charles and Harry are heads up better than what we have here. [/color][/quote] That may well be the case, I can't speak to that because I am not in the USA. No one knows how much the Jubilee celebrations cost the nation though most of it will fall on tax payers. In addition there is a furore going on at the moment about a bunch of unemployed people who were bused to London to act as security staff ( unpaid) and dumped under a bridge at 3am to wait untill they went on duty several hours later. They had to change into their protective gear (mixed gender) in the street........ An MP is asking questions in the House about this....... The UK govt is trying to say this was a one off error due to some logistical snaffoo........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappie Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Prayer for the Queen V. O Lord, save Elizabeth, our Queen. R. And hear us on the day we call upon you. V. O Lord, hear my prayer. R. And let my cry come before you. V. The Lord be with you. R. and with your spirit. Almighty God, we pray, that your servant Elizabeth, our Queen, who, by your providence has received the governance of this realm, may continue to grow in every virtue, that, imbued with your heavenly grace, she may be preserved from all that is harmful and evil and, being blessed with your favour may, with her consort and the royal family, come at last into your presence, through Christ who is the way, the truth and the life and who lives and reigns with you in the unity of the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappie Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) [img]http://www.catholic-ew.org.uk/var/cbcew/storage/images/cbcew2/cbcew-media-library/cbcew-images/pope-benedict-xvi/queen-elizabeth-ii-and-pope-benedict-xvi/196331-1-eng-GB/Queen-Elizabeth-II-and-Pope-Benedict-XVI_medium.jpg[/img] [color=#282828][size=3]To Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II I write to offer my warmest congratulations to Your Majesty on the happy occasion of the Diamond Jubilee of your reign. During the past sixty years you have offered to your subjects and to the whole world an inspiring example of dedication to duty and a commitment to maintaining the principles of freedom, justice and democracy, in keeping with a noble vision of the role of a Christian monarch. I retain warm memories of the gracious welcome accorded to me by Your Majesty at Holyroodhouse in Edinburgh at the beginning of my Apostolic Visit to the United Kingdom in September 2010, and I renew my thanks for the hospitality that I received throughout those four days. Your personal commitment to cooperation and mutual respect between the followers of different religious traditions has contributed in no small measure to improving ecumenical and interreligious relations throughout your realms. Commending Your Majesty and all the Royal Family to the protection of Almighty God, I renew my heartfelt good wishes on this joyful occasion and I assure you of my prayers for your continuing health and prosperity. From the Vatican, 23 May 2012[/size][/color] Edited June 6, 2012 by cappie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximillion Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Well, I guess each has to speak as he or she finds. It is true there are lots of things she could have done worse - but that is nothing, that applies to every single one of us. I, personally, think she could have done much more - but then her constitutional position as head of the Anglican church and our Monarch has prevented this. I still think this is very convenient. I will continue to think this even if the Pope differs from me in his opinion of her. This is not a pronouncement of his on Church teaching, so I am free to disagree. I think that when a person has that much money and that much influence, lots more could have been achieved than has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1338937202' post='2441494'] Do we have to pick between Hillary and Bill vs Charles and Cammy? [/quote] just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 here's what i don't understand about especially Catholics being all "gung-ho" about the monarchy: doesn't the monarchy still prevent Catholics from being able to hold certain positions just because they are Catholic? why would anybody be happy about that? (I'm not explaining myself well, so I apologize. I blame that I've only had one cup of coffee) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1338993458' post='2441739'] here's what i don't understand about especially Catholics being all "gung-ho" about the monarchy: doesn't the monarchy still prevent Catholics from being able to hold certain positions just because they are Catholic? why would anybody be happy about that? (I'm not explaining myself well, so I apologize. I blame that I've only had one cup of coffee) [/quote]They can now marry a Catholic. Since the monarch is the nominal head of the Church of England, there's still an impediment to them being Catholic. I pray that that will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 [quote name='Archaeology cat' timestamp='1338994371' post='2441741'] They can now marry a Catholic. Since the monarch is the nominal head of the Church of England, there's still an impediment to them being Catholic. I pray that that will change. [/quote] Why should it change? The UK has had a lot of unjust anti-catholic laws on their books for some time but this seems to be the one that is extremely reasonable. I firstly don't understand how a Catholic could accept the role seeing as it would force them to function as the head of a Church that is in rebellion with Rome and how could the church of England accept someone of a different faith being the head of the Church? If they ever remove the Monarchies role as nominal head of the CoE then I would see your point, but until that day comes I don't see how the could, or why the should, permit a Catholic (or any faith other than CoE) to ascend to the Monarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I'm seriously going to run out of props within the hour... Oh, sad day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 You people are still talking about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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